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Special Notice 03 2013 May 20, 2013 10:32:17 GMT 1

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Post by baz657 on May 20, 2013 10:32:17 GMT 1

Released today

www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-special-notice-03-13

We've got a month to get to terms with it so this should get some discussion...

Hopefully David will be able to add some input as he's been involved with the trials.

Another backward step?

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David Administrator Owner\Director, AE\NT\SM, DVSA VTS Council Member, Registered Member & Administrator of The MOT Testers & AE's Forum If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Albert Einstein Posts: 6,711 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Apr 26, 2024 11:51:28 GMT 1 Likes: 963	Special Notice 03 2013 May 20, 2013 10:44:08 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by David on May 20, 2013 10:44:08 GMT 1 I'd say not Baz, higher fail threshold but more RfR's. Procedure won't be that different from what we have now. It will be a different entry method and calculation process too. Procedure is the same for front & rear brake test
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Special Notice 03 2013 May 20, 2013 11:02:59 GMT 1

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Post by sysop on May 20, 2013 11:02:59 GMT 1

Just read this special notice, and as with all new test criteria, testing methods and reasons for rejection I feel it would be useful to actually see these in the testing manual before we go live with them. Th current manual on the VOSA site does not reflect these changes at the moment.

David Administrator Owner\Director, AE\NT\SM, DVSA VTS Council Member, Registered Member & Administrator of The MOT Testers & AE's Forum If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Albert Einstein Posts: 6,711 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Apr 26, 2024 11:51:28 GMT 1 Likes: 963	Special Notice 03 2013 May 20, 2013 11:31:06 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by David on May 20, 2013 11:31:06 GMT 1 Unfortunately as it's a legal process to change the criteria through a Bill in Parliament, the procedure must remain in place until the change takes place. That way the procedure\criteria and RfR's are always current
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David Administrator Owner\Director, AE\NT\SM, DVSA VTS Council Member, Registered Member & Administrator of The MOT Testers & AE's Forum If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Albert Einstein Posts: 6,711 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Apr 26, 2024 11:51:28 GMT 1 Likes: 963	Special Notice 03 2013 May 21, 2013 9:20:16 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by David on May 21, 2013 9:20:16 GMT 1 I'll check tonight if ok to give a brief outline of the new procedure gents
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baz657 Administrator Keeping safe Posts: 4,703 Class tested: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: Apr 25, 2024 14:12:25 GMT 1 Likes: 1,612	Special Notice 03 2013 May 28, 2013 12:55:22 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by baz657 on May 28, 2013 12:55:22 GMT 1 Due to start 23rd June cliffherts.
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Special Notice 03 2013 May 31, 2013 22:14:21 GMT 1

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Post by prb5244 on May 31, 2013 22:14:21 GMT 1

i have looked at changes more test on secondary braking system 30% across both seams fairer and 58% for sept 2010 vehicles reclassifying dual purpose vehicle again to passenger vehicles and takeing grab and judder i have had this on rollers and did a decerometer test on road and fine in past
we wont know how it pans out till we test to new limits we are atl so looks like we will have ignore program until programs are updated should be fun chaps and lasses

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Post by alex on Jun 1, 2013 20:10:16 GMT 1

The thing is though regarding excessive fluctuation what is everyone's opinion on excessive ? I bet there will be varied answers 30 KGF of fluctuation ? Or above ? I know it's down to us to use our knowledge and experience but if you failed a car and it appealed on this matter it would be a reasonable request to ask what figures area we looking at before we can fail it for EXCESSIVE fluctuation ,what do you guys say , let's all sing off the same song sheet .

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Special Notice 03 2013 Jun 1, 2013 20:45:04 GMT 1

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Post by prb5244 on Jun 1, 2013 20:45:04 GMT 1

i would before failing the vehicle go on road test or if so excessive it can be felt through brake pedal when in rollers better do that shows you have gone down all avenue because it says you can still do a decel test better that and goes to a appeal and points awarded if not 100% pass and advice

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Special Notice 03 2013 Jun 1, 2013 21:18:13 GMT 1

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Post by baz657 on Jun 1, 2013 21:18:13 GMT 1

It's a really good point that been open to interpretation for too long now. I feel that if VOSA want the same standard of testing throughout the country, they have a great opportunity here to introduce a set maximum percentage variation to commence with the new method of testing for brakes coming in later this month.

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Special Notice 03 2013 Jun 1, 2013 21:59:19 GMT 1

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Post by alex on Jun 1, 2013 21:59:19 GMT 1

Might be worth a word with someone high up in v o s a baz or at a council meeting ,others may disagree with my point but let's get a figure we can all test correctly to , some things are to vague in testing , if we all have the answer what standards / figures to work to then it will reduce the complaints and possible appeal test situation regarding this particular failure item , another one is wiring insecure but I ain't going there this evening ,haha.

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Post by nitros44 on Jun 1, 2013 22:17:26 GMT 1

At the present time brake judder is a rfr, the thing is judder is not detectable on the rollers unless its very severe,but when driven on the road it's a different story and is very noticeable.
It will be the same scenario,IMO ,it will be down to us to consider what is or what's not considered ""excessive fluctuation""we wait and see.

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Special Notice 03 2013 Jun 1, 2013 22:36:42 GMT 1

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Post by baz657 on Jun 1, 2013 22:36:42 GMT 1

Unfortunately I think you're 100% right nitros44. It's a shame they can give us precise figures to work with for brake performance and balance all round but not variation/judder.

.....even though that's associated with brake performance as well....

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Special Notice 03 2013 Jun 1, 2013 22:49:10 GMT 1

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Post by baz657 on Jun 1, 2013 22:49:10 GMT 1

Jun 1, 2013 21:59:19 GMT 1 alex said:

Might be worth a word with someone high up in v o s a baz or at a council meeting

To get something like that through the system and approved for us to start using by the end of June would have meant starting the paperwork last October alex. If I would have thought about it then I would have mentioned it.

We knew about the 30% imbalance figure. We knew that 58% was coming in for 2010 and later vehicles. We were told September. The first I heard about that the method of testing the brakes was changing was when I read the SN as did every VTS council member I spoke to last week. We're all still waiting to see the exact wording in the manual update - they're cutting it a bit fine with this one.

maybe they're making up for the fails that became advisories for over a year?

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