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Post by nitros44 on Apr 29, 2013 21:13:35 GMT 1

Reading through the new updates that have been added now to the inspection manual, it would seam that the goal posts have been changed with regards to the issue when a steering lock has been removed..paragraph 1 was taken from the special notice
Paragraph 1
Clarification of acceptable alternatives where a steering lock has been removed (i.e. it has been replaced with another permanently installed immobilisation device that acts on either: the steering; gear shift; transmission; or prevents the engine from running).

Now in paragraph 2 which has been copied and pasted from the updated manual contradicts the special notice,as its taken out the part that implied a device would need to be fitted to replace the removed steering lock..

Paragraph 2(inspection manual update)
It is acceptable for a steering lock to be removed if there is an alternative, permanently installed, immobilisation device fitted which acts on either: the steering; gear shift; transmission; or prevents the engine from running.

So now if the steering lock has been removed, as long as it has some device which is part of the vehicle ,example factory fitted immobiliser of other,fitted from new,then that's acceptable.

As the 1st used date is 1st September 2001 it would be reasonable to say most if not all cars/vans have an immobiliser fitted as standard.
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Steering lock removed Apr 29, 2013 23:24:00 GMT 1

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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 23:24:00 GMT 1

It reads to me as though what VOSA are saying is that if the steering lock is removed, then something else must be permantently installed in its place, and that is not the factory fitted immobilser, otherwise they would just say;

Where the steering lock as been removed, the factory fitted immobilser will do as a back up so just pass and advise

The best immobilser known to date is a murder on the run with a gun, just ask him to sit in your car while it is left parked, it will be there on your return

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Steering lock removed Apr 30, 2013 0:42:08 GMT 1

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Post by phaetonott on Apr 30, 2013 0:42:08 GMT 1

A guy brought an MGB in to me today with the wires to the ign switch hanging and the lock removed, I refused to test for many reasons, and pointed out that the steering lock had to work. He came back 10 minutes later with a brand new crooklock!

Ohhh dear!! Now f.... off and sort the rest of it out, including a proper fitted security device!

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Steering lock removed Apr 30, 2013 0:43:46 GMT 1

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Post by nitros44 on Apr 30, 2013 0:43:46 GMT 1

Apr 29, 2013 23:24:00 GMT 1 @daveg said:

It reads to me as though what VOSA are saying is that if the steering lock is removed, then something else must be permantently installed in its place, and that is not the factory fitted immobilser, otherwise they would just say;

Where the steering lock as been removed, the factory fitted immobilser will do as a back up so just pass and advise

The best immobilser known to date is a murder on the run with a gun, just ask him to sit in your car while it is left parked, it will be there on your return

The difference is @daveg the word replaced has been deleted.A steering lock removed from a Renault Megane for example will not need to be
replaced as its got a permanently fitted immobilizer device.The wording has to be wrong in the previous special notice.

and

Is a factory fitted immobilizer not an alternative?

If the vehicle has no immobilizer fitted and the lock has been removed,then it will require a device to replace it.

and

As you well know,i don't need a murderer on the run with a gun lol, to sit in my car while left parked,and i know it will be in the same place on my return as i have my own police escort lol.

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Steering lock removed Apr 30, 2013 0:49:25 GMT 1

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Post by nitros44 on Apr 30, 2013 0:49:25 GMT 1

Apr 30, 2013 0:42:08 GMT 1 phaetonott said:

A guy brought an MGB in to me today with the wires to the ign switch hanging and the lock removed, I refused to test for many reasons, and pointed out that the steering lock had to work. He came back 10 minutes later with a brand new crooklock!

Ohhh dear!! Now f.... off and sort the rest of it out, including a proper fitted security device!

An MGB would not need a steering lock as it only applies to vehicles used 1st September 2001 onward.

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Steering lock removed Apr 30, 2013 1:30:22 GMT 1

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Post by phaetonott on Apr 30, 2013 1:30:22 GMT 1

Still not going to trst it nitros44,

The only wat to stop it is take the red jump lead off the battery, which is just sitting behind the passenger seat,

and you start it by shorting two of the terminals on the back of this plug.

There are no keys, and the doors are locked, with the inside lock broken so its a "step over the door" job, but to make that easier the roof has been cut off.

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Steering lock removed May 1, 2013 12:50:28 GMT 1

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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 12:50:28 GMT 1

Apr 30, 2013 0:43:46 GMT 1 nitros44 said:

Apr 29, 2013 23:24:00 GMT 1 @daveg said:

It reads to me as though what VOSA are saying is that if the steering lock is removed, then something else must be permantently installed in its place, and that is not the factory fitted immobilser, otherwise they would just say;

Where the steering lock as been removed, the factory fitted immobilser will do as a back up so just pass and advise

The best immobilser known to date is a murder on the run with a gun, just ask him to sit in your car while it is left parked, it will be there on your return

The difference is @daveg the word replaced has been deleted.A steering lock removed from a Renault Megane for example will not need to be
replaced as its got a permanently fitted immobilizer device.The wording has to be wrong in the previous special notice.

and

Is a factory fitted immobilizer not an alternative?

If the vehicle has no immobilizer fitted and the lock has been removed,then it will require a device to replace it.

and

As you well know,i don't need a murderer on the run with a gun lol, to sit in my car while left parked,and i know it will be in the same place on my return as i have my own police escort lol.

Ah but LOL

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Steering lock removed May 1, 2013 20:29:49 GMT 1

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Post by nitros44 on May 1, 2013 20:29:49 GMT 1

i would prefer to test vehicles like that rather then the day to day mundane crap we get presented every day,any way whats wrong with a challenge now and again

If the doors could be opened on the mg in the photo i think i would of tested that,no problem

Ironic as it may sound but last week i tested 2 mgb"s both passed even if the vehicle battery's could move about a bit.

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Steering lock removed May 3, 2013 7:55:35 GMT 1

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Post by phaetonott on May 3, 2013 7:55:35 GMT 1

Biggest problem I have with cars like that is the time factor. that would take about an hour and a half, thats two of my 45 minute slots so I end up upsetting the rest of the day's customers because I'm running late. Even worse than that, this car was booked in my last slot of the day, and it arrived late because he went in for petrol and hadn't realised that hot wiring it and jumping over the doors because he had lost the keys wasn't going to help him get the locking fuel cap off. I don't get paid overtime, therefor I don't do overtime.

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Steering lock removed May 5, 2013 11:13:15 GMT 1

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Post by Hooters on May 5, 2013 11:13:15 GMT 1

.....and just to save you a bit of time (I found out the hard way) steering lock inop. does NOT apply to Class VII. Only passenger cars from said date. Would have been useful to point this out in the S/N that we have been religiously reffering to since it was published.

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Post by baz657 on May 5, 2013 20:03:08 GMT 1

Something I hadn't realised either Hooters.

The inspection of the steering lock only applies to passenger cars with:

a steering lock fitted as standard by the manufacturer, and

four or more wheels, and

not more than 8 passenger seats excluding the driver’s seat, and

first used on or after 1 September 2001

So dual purpose vehicles, motorhomes, car derived vans, vans up to 3000kg, mini-buses etc are not testable either. Perhaps something they should have made special mention of and not hide it in the manual expecting everybody to find it (or not).

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