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Post by everson38 on May 20, 2023 23:37:38 GMT 1

Hey Guys,

So got another query but this is more about professional MOT testers take of of this situation?

So I have a close friend who recently had his MOT done and he was told by his garage he needed new brake discs and pads, which he got replaced. Upon looking at his MOT history he has has clean / perfect bill of health since 2020 (car registered in 2017) Since 2022 to 2023 the csr has done 5k miles. Now supposedly he was told they need doing as they were "metal on metal" but my concern is that all previous years there has been no advisories about the pads getting low and even this year , there wasn't an actual fail for the brake pads. If you were to look at his MOT history it looks like he has passed every year including 2023 with no advisories. So my question is, could the MOT place have simply forgot to log and fail on the pads in the first place, as they were "metal on metal"? or can MOT testers notice fails, but because they are going to do the work anyway, simply carry out the repair and then not even bother to fail it in the system, because technically now the car is in a "pass" state. As I just feel the purpose behind advisories is to give the customer the chance to prepare for repairs bills coming up in the future, but this way seems like you could always be in for a surprise.

Hopefully explained it well enough. Interested to know your takes 😁😁

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Post by aylesburyjock on May 21, 2023 9:05:15 GMT 1

The failure criteria for the brake pads is less than 1.5mm thick. Testers do have a problem however in the fact we have no means of measuring this, so it is accepted by many, although I have not seen written instructions, that we should not actually issue a failure until they are actually metal to metal.
Now if it has been passing every year it could just be the tester is following this rule. I would expect an advisory, but there is no way of knowing whether it should have had one or not.
Next thing is that service standards are much higher than MOT standards, and it is always possible that it has been passed with no MOT problem, but someone has thought they just could not let it go without trying to get new ones fitted.
To put it simply, there is absolutely no way we can tell you what has happened, why it has happened, or if it should have happened as it did.

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Post by Dynamo on May 21, 2023 9:44:09 GMT 1

Some road wheels designs also make it impossible to visually see through the wheels, and even worse if wheel trims are fitted. With that said, there is also the added problem on some types of braking systems whereby the pad guides are such a design that they totally prevent anyone seeing the pad thickness without taking the wheel and caliper off the hub assembly. The moral is, some vehicles are very easy to see the brakes and some are totally impossible. The rule book can't cover issues as explained here because its practical experience that knows best really. What I do however is simply advise I can't see them and then if something happens afterwards, I did tell the presenter in writing. Its the best I could do anyway.

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Post by dwain on May 21, 2023 9:59:00 GMT 1

It’s easy to go from no advisory to metal on metal due to no/poor visibility through the wheel.

Not so easy to work out how you haven’t been issued a failure prior to the pass though.

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Post by David on May 25, 2023 12:39:30 GMT 1

May 20, 2023 23:37:38 GMT 1 everson38 said:

Hey Guys,

So got another query but this is more about professional MOT testers take of of this situation?

So I have a close friend who recently had his MOT done and he was told by his garage he needed new brake discs and pads, which he got replaced. Upon looking at his MOT history he has has clean / perfect bill of health since 2020 (car registered in 2017) Since 2022 to 2023 the csr has done 5k miles. Now supposedly he was told they need doing as they were "metal on metal" but my concern is that all previous years there has been no advisories about the pads getting low and even this year , there wasn't an actual fail for the brake pads. If you were to look at his MOT history it looks like he has passed every year including 2023 with no advisories. So my question is, could the MOT place have simply forgot to log and fail on the pads in the first place, as they were "metal on metal"? or can MOT testers notice fails, but because they are going to do the work anyway, simply carry out the repair and then not even bother to fail it in the system, because technically now the car is in a "pass" state. As I just feel the purpose behind advisories is to give the customer the chance to prepare for repairs bills coming up in the future, but this way seems like you could always be in for a surprise.

Hopefully explained it well enough. Interested to know your takes 😁😁

It dependshow the vehicle was driven for those 5000 miles which is impossible to know.

Brake pads can be worn out in no time.

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Post by everson38 on Jun 6, 2023 1:07:39 GMT 1

May 21, 2023 9:59:00 GMT 1 dwain said:

It’s easy to go from no advisory to metal on metal due to no/poor visibility through the wheel.

Not so easy to work out how you haven’t been issued a failure prior to the pass though.

Yes this was one of.my first thoughts but I guess it's all a matter of "you would have to been there " type scenario to know. I initially hope he is just being a.mate and trying to keep the MOT bill of health as perfect as possible with no "fail" notes. But my head also went the other way because sure as a friend you may do this but at the least tell your friend, "I've past the car, but it need X y and z" so that your can give your friend as much notice to get it saved up for, to eventually get it fixed.

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Post by castrolrob on Jun 7, 2023 18:23:47 GMT 1

my best guess would be it was in for a service/health check/pre mot summat like that,they reckoned the brakes was low(assuming theyre honest!)fitted em then tested it after.of course he could simply have been conned but as you say its one of those needed to be there jobs and impossible to be sure after the event.

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Post by castrolrob on Jun 7, 2023 18:52:31 GMT 1

failed a meriva 4 or 5 yrs back on rear pads,spot check charley rocked up,retested it,said they aint down to the metal,you shudda passed it.i gave him my little bendy torch and said"take a closer look chump"so he did,went rather pale and said he hadnt ever seen brakes with NO visible lining left before that werent grinding,christ hes had a sheltered existence!so i continued the conversation with"oh by the way,before you also tell me that i shouldnt have failed the track rod end neither please keep in mind that the worried ratty looking guy over there is one of the local"traders"who will be selling this as soon as it leaves and is only here for a test in the first place cos the buyer knows we are legit and has insisted on it being us who test it so if you wanna pass it then its YOUR name on the ticket not mine"you could SEE the goddamn cogs going round in his head!yep,everythings fine,keep up the good work bye,see you in a couple of years.numbnuts.....leave the job to those of us who live in the real world.

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