help with mid engined car please

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Post by phil234 on Jun 2, 2021 19:54:22 GMT 1

hi,

I have an old mini with a bike engine in the rear.

I am interested in what rules around bulkheads exist for the mot.

I want to put something between the driver and engine behind him for safety but not overengineer it..

for example -

Is no bulkhead at all acceptable?

If a bulkhead is needed, at what stage does that bulkhead pass the MOT please?

In the MSA blue book all holes have to be plated over for example, but in most cars its rubber grommets for the road where wires and tubing passes through.

What about areas of compound curve - does it matter if there are gaps? How big can the gaps be?

Or is it simply if its not fitted it can't be tested?

thanks for the help
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Post by rocket on Jun 2, 2021 20:06:46 GMT 1

Jun 2, 2021 19:54:22 GMT 1 phil234 said:

hi,

I have an old mini with a bike engine in the rear.

I am interested in what rules around bulkheads exist for the mot.

I want to put something between the driver and engine behind him for safety but not overengineer it..

for example -

Is no bulkhead at all acceptable?

If a bulkhead is needed, at what stage does that bulkhead pass the MOT please?

In the MSA blue book all holes have to be plated over for example, but in most cars its rubber grommets for the road where wires and tubing passes through.

What about areas of compound curve - does it matter if there are gaps? How big can the gaps be?

Or is it simply if its not fitted it can't be tested?

thanks for the help
phil.

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Post by Dynamo on Jun 2, 2021 21:10:47 GMT 1

Yeah he might but again he might not because if you remember he said he has finished with social media and forums now only concentrating on his staff training which is his paid income.

phil234 you might benefit from spending a little time reading the online testers manual and guide for some in depth guidance...

www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/989937/mot-testing-guide.pdf

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Post by peter on Jun 7, 2021 18:12:08 GMT 1

As far as I'm aware the MOT says nothing about a bulkhead between the driver/passengers and the engine so you should be fine on that score.
But, obviously, it would be a good idea to protect yourself from fumes and any risk of fire.

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Post by aylesburyjock on Jun 25, 2021 22:22:47 GMT 1

Jun 2, 2021 21:10:47 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

Yeah he might but again he might not because if you remember he said he has finished with social media and forums now only concentrating on his staff training which is his paid income.

phil234 you might benefit from spending a little time reading the online testers manual and guide for some in depth guidance...

www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/989937/mot-testing-guide.pdf

It may be just my opinion and others may want to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe if someone comes on a forum such as ours and asks a question in the 'ask the tester' section, he is probably trying to get the view point of the tester. Pointing him to the manual is obviously useful, but he could find that himself.

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Post by Dynamo on Jun 26, 2021 10:50:56 GMT 1

Jun 25, 2021 22:22:47 GMT 1 aylesburyjock said:

Jun 2, 2021 21:10:47 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

Yeah he might but again he might not because if you remember he said he has finished with social media and forums now only concentrating on his staff training which is his paid income.

phil234 you might benefit from spending a little time reading the online testers manual and guide for some in depth guidance...

www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/989937/mot-testing-guide.pdf

It may be just my opinion and others may want to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe if someone comes on a forum such as ours and asks a question in the 'ask the tester' section, he is probably trying to get the view point of the tester. Pointing him to the manual is obviously useful, but he could find that himself.

The problem with opinions is that everyone has one, but legally only a person who meets a legal criteria is then legally allowed to have one. This was discussed and legislated back in 1995 and agreed for court attendances. A tester should be considered in this area of expertise to be an expert, but if we look at DVSA and their disciplinary system you'll see that they invite the tester/AE to the local office for an interview. This could be for many reasons I don't know the answer to, but one that stands out is that we are not legal experts. The testers manual is based on a minimum standard that the layperson should be able to interpret. Some people in the public section may not be in a position to interpret that and therefore ask questions on forums like this, however varied the replies and interpretations may be?

You can't "unbreak" the broken,you can only break the unbroken to break the break of the unbroken, for me, you cannot unbreak me, for I am already broken,so you have no need to break the break because I am not unbroken.

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Post by aylesburyjock on Jun 27, 2021 10:58:09 GMT 1

And when it comes to testing, we are the ones who have the training to supposedly have the legal opinion and the public are not. If we argue about what the manual is telling us then the lay person stands little chance. My point stands. If asked for your view, give your view rather than pointing him to the manual which he could find for himself if that was what he was after. For further discussion, let's go private. Either PMs or a testers only section.

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