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Post by castrolrob on May 25, 2018 13:25:38 GMT 1

had an odd one the other day,fiat doblo with 2 side load doors,one didn't open,not filled/welded or anything like that,just disabled cos hes mounted a tool chest in front of it to make it harder to break in I guess tho all the other doors have security locks anyway( so why not just fit one to this) I don't know,either way prescribed areas for b pillar belt anchor and seat mounts etc are gonna be in the door shut so pulled him,only guidance I can now see is in the intro for the manual refuse for door not opening readily,turns out they disabled the central locking for that door by pulling the wiring,cant access the internal handle without stripping the interior and are now getting stroppy.when he says aint failed on it before I had to point out that as a 15 plate it aint been tested before now has it?did I get it right dad?i must see and pull a dozen vans a week on similar,high security keys missing,buggered locks and handles etc and am getting fed up with it,are there any loopholes I can use cos im sick of this sh1te?

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Post by ht on May 25, 2018 14:36:49 GMT 1

Make of this what you will, The inspection of doors only applies to the driver and passenger doors. Inspection of loading doors says check that any bootlid, tailgate, loading door, access panel, hinged tailboard or dropside is or can be secured in the closed position.
Reasons for Rejection regarding the opening of doors does not apply to passenger doors if the door aperture has been permanently ‘filled' as part of a specialised customisation provided that there are no obvious aperture gaps.

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Post by castrolrob on May 25, 2018 15:14:48 GMT 1

I was always taught that any prescribed/testable area only accessible thru any door/hatch etc meant that said door had to open unless permanently filled etc,thats not on the intro anymore.maybe I been getting it wrong,your quote is only applicable to security /closing,not examining prescribed areas.

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Post by ht on May 25, 2018 16:55:51 GMT 1

The new manual does not have any reference to permanently filled door apertures as I mentioned earlier It says :-
Corrosion of a particular part, such as a door sill, may be very important on one type of vehicle construction, but less important on another.
The only requirement for load space doors is that they can be secured in the closed position.
Door hinges, catches and pillars should only be rejected for deterioration if door operation is adversely affected.
I don't know if there is anything there you can use as a workaround or loophole . LOL
The manual is incomplete of many things , some intentional and some I guess non intentional I'm seeing lots of areas that are grey.

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Post by aylesburyjock on May 25, 2018 17:12:08 GMT 1

I would go with your gut here Rob. We were told they would be doing away with a lot of 'methods of inspection' when the new manual was introduced, but this is because we should be experienced enough to understand how to test things properly. You know how to inspect prescribed areas, and as far as I know they have not removed the need to inspect any of them. Not a grey area, they need checking. I dare say if you check that reg in a week you'd find it's got a pass somewhere.

castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,397 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Nov 18, 2024 14:39:21 GMT 1 Likes: 2,782	van load doors May 25, 2018 17:21:41 GMT 1 mike617 likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on May 25, 2018 17:21:41 GMT 1 the real shame about all this is that on a 15 plate motor its 99% certain that there aint gonna be fook all wrong but im still supposed to look,hi ho carry on as normal I guess.

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Post by ht on May 25, 2018 17:49:49 GMT 1

The question remains unanswered for certain.
if you are/were able to permanently secure a passenger door in a closed position and fill in the apertures then this would usually prevent the inspection of prescribed areas but this was considered acceptable.
however load doors have differing criteria to passenger doors and there is no reference to the permanent filling of apertures in the new manual so this remains grey unless it can be explained with clarity in plain English from the manual.

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Post by castrolrob on May 25, 2018 18:05:43 GMT 1

the intro says ANY door,doesnt specify load/passenger,further down(section 12 I think it was) reiterates it and includes luggage doors/panels with refuse/abandon fail(tho how I fail it Christ alone knows,anyone sees that button lemme know),i was just hoping theyd left a loophole somewhere that could actually be of use to us,should have known better.

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Post by ht on May 25, 2018 18:42:34 GMT 1

The sad thing about this is that we are left holding the sh1tty end of the stick while the jerks at the top continue in their shiny castles and warm comfy offices pat themselves on the back for a job well done, claiming overtime whilst we fret over whether or not we are doing the right thing in our interpretation of the new greatly changed and faulty rule book on the shop floor.
I hope clarity can be found earlier rather than later for ours and the publics sake.

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Post by nitros44 on May 25, 2018 20:41:23 GMT 1

What I would of done and have done is refuse to test ,a loading door comes under “ any door “ ,a loading door is designed to Be easily opened therefore to facilitate the inspection of testable items it has to open.
Refusing to test results in a fail and issue a vt 30 automatically.

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