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castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,380 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Apr 24, 2024 14:00:26 GMT 1 Likes: 2,766	By the book Dec 18, 2017 12:12:16 GMT 1 David likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Dec 18, 2017 12:12:16 GMT 1 there aint,the only colour fail is white to the rear,with some red ones I tested a few years back I pulled it on not illuminating cos they were so dim but that was as close as I got.

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Post by lampy on Dec 18, 2017 12:41:22 GMT 1

Dec 18, 2017 12:12:16 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

there aint,the only colour fail is white to the rear,with some red ones I tested a few years back I pulled it on not illuminating cos they were so dim but that was as close as I got.

Have done this car for a few years now and issued a MANUAL advisory every time, just wondered if anyone had different idea's.

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castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,380 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Apr 24, 2024 14:00:26 GMT 1 Likes: 2,766	By the book Dec 18, 2017 12:46:37 GMT 1 baz657, otis, and 3 more like this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Dec 18, 2017 12:46:37 GMT 1 yeah but we don't need MANUAL advisories do we....

lampy AE/Manager/Owner NT/AED Posts: 1,415 Class tested: 1, 2, 4, 7 Last Online: May 2, 2024 15:16:09 GMT 1 Likes: 1,143	By the book Dec 18, 2017 12:57:37 GMT 1 Dynamo and lonewolf like this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by lampy on Dec 18, 2017 12:57:37 GMT 1 Dec 18, 2017 12:46:37 GMT 1 castrolrob said: yeah but we don't need MANUAL advisories do we.... Of course not we shall use the one provided for just such an occasion !!
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Post by dizzydiver on Dec 18, 2017 17:51:34 GMT 1

Dec 18, 2017 12:57:37 GMT 1 lampy said:

Dec 18, 2017 12:46:37 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

yeah but we don't need MANUAL advisories do we....

Of course not we shall use the one provided for just such an occasion !!

which is??? and where???

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Post by castrolrob on Dec 18, 2017 18:14:31 GMT 1

Dec 18, 2017 17:51:34 GMT 1 dizzydiver said:

Dec 18, 2017 12:57:37 GMT 1 lampy said:

Of course not we shall use the one provided for just such an occasion !!

which is??? and where???

I feel you need a few lessons in sarcasm dizzydiver old chap,said guidance was published 30/2/2017 which if you consult a calendar is the eighth day or the relevant week and indeed a leap year wwoohoo

said notice also covered hens teeth etc

dwain VTS Council member Posts: 1,165 Class tested: 4 Last Online: May 5, 2024 10:37:03 GMT 1 Likes: 698	By the book Dec 18, 2017 19:57:56 GMT 1 nitros44 and tim like this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by dwain on Dec 18, 2017 19:57:56 GMT 1 Isn't this the point, it's clearly not a fail, nor will it develop into a fail so why would you need to issue an advisory? The presenter is likely to know and there's no need to 'cover your ass'.

castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,380 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Apr 24, 2024 14:00:26 GMT 1 Likes: 2,766	By the book Dec 19, 2017 9:22:00 GMT 1 lampy likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Dec 19, 2017 9:22:00 GMT 1 cos plod can pull him for it,the same reason we have a pre allocated advise for wheels protruding,we cant fail them either but the advise is still there.

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Post by lampy on Dec 19, 2017 14:22:40 GMT 1

The list is endless, HID kits in Halogen lamps can't fail if they have the correct beam image but contravenes regulation 27 making the vehicle illegal to drive on a public road.
Illegal lighting system, insurance use it as a reason to stop paying out in a major accident.... but it just passed an mot why wasn't I told !!

Blame culture = arse covering is best practice as far as I am concerned because I am sure DVSA won't stick their head above the parapet.

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Post by castrolrob on Dec 19, 2017 18:54:02 GMT 1

lost count of the amount of"aftermarket hid,no self level/wash fitted" ive typed,normally to announce to muppet central that they aint gonna be just chucking a bulb in this one.other folks probably wont bother but anyone whos had one coming towards em and had their eyeballs suntanned as a result will know exactly why,the fooking things are a hazard to navigation,typical of the ministry to exempt the dangerous ones leaving us to fsil the poor bastards who bought a car with the proper ones but have a fooked washer.

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Post by dwain on Dec 19, 2017 22:22:33 GMT 1

Dec 19, 2017 9:22:00 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

cos plod can pull him for it,the same reason we have a pre allocated advise for wheels protruding,we cant fail them either but the advise is still there.

Whether plod pull him is none of our business, we are to carry out a pre defined test.

Protruding wheels are of concern as a pedestrian could be hurt. Not the same as the colour of otherwise sufficiently illuminating lights.

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Post by aylesburyjock on Dec 20, 2017 8:26:18 GMT 1

Have to agree with dwain on this item. Your delicate behind is already covered by the fact that it is none of our business. Worrying about overzealous DVSA disciplinary? Can't touch you. Plod himself chasing you? Can't touch you. The customer whining? Just another day as a tester.

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Post by castrolrob on Dec 20, 2017 9:21:37 GMT 1

Dec 19, 2017 22:22:33 GMT 1 dwain said:

Dec 19, 2017 9:22:00 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

cos plod can pull him for it,the same reason we have a pre allocated advise for wheels protruding,we cant fail them either but the advise is still there.

Whether plod pull him is none of our business, we are to carry out a pre defined test.

Protruding wheels are of concern as a pedestrian could be hurt. Not the same as the colour of otherwise sufficiently illuminating lights.

so you think that we have 20 odd reasons for failing no plates just for a laugh?whether we agree with em being part of a test is irrelevant,as you say above we carry out a pre defined test and said lights CAN affect no plate visibility as well as (in the case of blue lights )causing confusion in other road users in the same way as hids/blue headlights etc.now if you want a silly advise how about danglys removed from drivers view......

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Post by lampy on Dec 20, 2017 9:47:03 GMT 1

I really don't give a flying f*ck whether plod can nick them or not. I just want it noted that they were told it's illegal and if it's attached to the vt20 all the better.
If a separate sheet is the best we can hope for it's better than a kick in the nut's.

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Post by David on Dec 20, 2017 15:27:57 GMT 1

Why advise if the owner knows the colour and they illuminate as required?

What advice can you give to someone who already has the knowledge Gaz?

If it was my vehicle and I received a VT20 with an advisory on something I already knew because I'd fitted or had fitted an aftermarket bulb which isn't a Failure I'd ask for it to be removed

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Post by David on Dec 20, 2017 15:39:06 GMT 1

Dec 20, 2017 9:47:03 GMT 1 lampy said:

I really don't give a flying f*ck whether plod can nick them or not. I just want it noted that they were told it's illegal and if it's attached to the vt20 all the better.
If a separate sheet is the best we can hope for it's better than a kick in the nut's.

Actually not illegal. It would Fail if it was

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Post by nitros44 on Dec 20, 2017 17:23:23 GMT 1

SCHEDULE 15 of the lighting regulations

requirements relating to obligatory rear registration plate lamps

1. Number: Such that the lamp or lamps are capable of adequately illuminating the rear registration plate

2. Position: Such that the lamp or lamps are capable of adequately illuminating the rear registration plate

3. Angles of visibility: Such that the lamp or lamps are capable of adequately illuminating the rear registration plate

4. Alignment: Such that the lamp or lamps are capable of adequately illuminating the rear registration plate

5. Markings– (a) A motor vehicle first used on or after 1st April 1986 and a trailer manufactured on or after 1st October 1985:
An approval mark
(b) A motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986 and a trailer manufactured before 1st October 1985:
No requirement
6. Size of illuminated area. No requirement

7. Colour: White

8. Wattage: No requirement

9. Intensity: No requirement

10. Electrical connections: No individual requirement

Think you will find it is illegal

I would certainly issue an advisory because of that.

A presenter may know he has green bulbs fitted ,and breaking the law but then on the other hand he may not so I would advise rather then presume.

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