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Jaguar S Type 53 plate Mar 24, 2017 12:00:54 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on Mar 24, 2017 12:00:54 GMT 1

I have recently tested the above vehicle. The instrument display has a LCD park brake warning malfunction present, the operation of the park brake works and met the legal minimum efficiency limit. The instrument display also has a multi-function combined brake warning lamp illuminated. the warning lamp to my understanding controls the hydraulics, the park brake lever operation and the brake pads wear limit.

The fluid level appeared OK has far as the test goes, the offside rear outer brake pad appeared very lose to the legal limit and was advised. The brakes across axle (2) did not increase at about the same rate and therefore I failed the operation of them, the brake imbalance at maximum efforts was also at 37%.

The customer says there is a defect (electronic) sensor with the park brake system at some £200 to repair, he advises that this is the cause of the warning lamp remaining on.

Should the multi - function combined warning lamp being illuminated fail the test or should a tester pass and advise it?

I hope I have explained this correctly.

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castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,397 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Nov 18, 2024 14:39:21 GMT 1 Likes: 2,782	Jaguar S Type 53 plate Mar 24, 2017 12:23:13 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Mar 24, 2017 12:23:13 GMT 1 handbrake is one of the few where a message indicating a fault is a failure,check the manual,i could be wrong

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Post by David on Mar 24, 2017 14:30:15 GMT 1

Mar 24, 2017 12:00:54 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

I have recently tested the above vehicle. The instrument display has a LCD park brake warning malfunction present, the operation of the park brake works and met the legal minimum efficiency limit. The instrument display also has a multi-function combined brake warning lamp illuminated. the warning lamp to my understanding controls the hydraulics, the park brake lever operation and the brake pads wear limit.

The fluid level appeared OK has far as the test goes, the offside rear outer brake pad appeared very lose to the legal limit and was advised. The brakes across axle (2) did not increase at about the same rate and therefore I failed the operation of them, the brake imbalance at maximum efforts was also at 37%.

The customer says there is a defect (electronic) sensor with the park brake system at some £200 to repair, he advises that this is the cause of the warning lamp remaining on.

Should the multi - function combined warning lamp being illuminated fail the test or should a tester pass and advise it?

I hope I have explained this correctly.

Yes definitely Dynamo regardless of operation. As castrolrob has said, its the only exception where a text error message can Fail along with a warning lamp etc.

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Post by castrolrob on Mar 24, 2017 14:45:24 GMT 1

allow me to decode your customers concerns,in plain English its a fail,he already knows its a fail,has probably already failed somewhere,his mot has now been out for a month or two,he needs to tax it but doesn't wanna repair it cos it costs.pass his car for him NOW.sorry if this seems unduly cynical but after near 4 decades being gently baked on the barbecue of the great british public my opinions have become somewhat arid.i do as always stand to be corrected.double check the wording in the manual as always but this an identical scenario to on I failed on a megane a couple of weeks back.his shouted reply"youre the 2nd **** to fail it on that!"still needed said **** to fix it tho.....shagged switch if anyones interested

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Jaguar S Type 53 plate Mar 24, 2017 16:51:52 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on Mar 24, 2017 16:51:52 GMT 1

it seems that something must be wrong as me and David actually agree on something.

I rang DVSA this morning about the subject, maybe they didn't understand what I was saying, they left me on the phone for a while before returning advising me it was a pass and advise.

It must be the pass and advise happy line to DVSA

The customer was not too happy though, I failed it

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Post by castrolrob on Mar 24, 2017 19:00:17 GMT 1

I would be really interested under what part of the manual youre allowed to p+a.from memory the failure was pretty unequivocal,parking brake system indicating a malfunction which is precisely what most of em read,epb malfunction/fault/inoperative are the typical messages.have had a few saying epb service due but service aint a fault so I p+a those.

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Post by peter on Mar 24, 2017 20:25:48 GMT 1

I agree it's a fail.
But I've never known the helpline (and I have used them a few times) to say anything other than pass and advise.
One day, when I'm about to retire I'm going to phone them and say this car has a six inch diameter corroded hole right by the front seat belt anchorage. Just to see what answer I get!

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Jaguar S Type 53 plate Mar 25, 2017 9:37:32 GMT 1

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Post by David on Mar 25, 2017 9:37:32 GMT 1

Mar 24, 2017 16:51:52 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

it seems that something must be wrong as me and David actually agree on something.

I rang DVSA this morning about the subject, maybe they didn't understand what I was saying, they left me on the phone for a while before returning advising me it was a pass and advise.

It must be the pass and advise happy line to DVSA

The customer was not too happy though, I failed it

Why did you ring DVSA Dynamo?

3.1 Parking Brake Control

RfR 7. Electronic parking brake warning indicates a malfunction.

Note: An EPB malfunction may alternatively be indicated by a message on the dashboard

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Post by Dynamo on Mar 26, 2017 10:35:12 GMT 1

Mar 25, 2017 9:37:32 GMT 1 David said:

Mar 24, 2017 16:51:52 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

it seems that something must be wrong as me and David actually agree on something.

I rang DVSA this morning about the subject, maybe they didn't understand what I was saying, they left me on the phone for a while before returning advising me it was a pass and advise.

It must be the pass and advise happy line to DVSA

The customer was not too happy though, I failed it

Why did you ring DVSA Dynamo ?

3.1 Parking Brake Control

RfR 7. Electronic parking brake warning indicates a malfunction.

Note: An EPB malfunction may alternatively be indicated by a message on the dashboard

Customer was adamant that his Jaguar was a Class III and RfR 7 should not apply

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Jaguar S Type 53 plate Mar 27, 2017 9:54:52 GMT 1

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Post by David on Mar 27, 2017 9:54:52 GMT 1

Mar 26, 2017 10:35:12 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

Mar 25, 2017 9:37:32 GMT 1 David said:

Why did you ring DVSA Dynamo ?

3.1 Parking Brake Control

RfR 7. Electronic parking brake warning indicates a malfunction.

Note: An EPB malfunction may alternatively be indicated by a message on the dashboard

Customer was adamant that his Jaguar was a Class III and RfR 7 should not apply

As has already been said, most likely been everywhere beforehand

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castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,397 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Nov 18, 2024 14:39:21 GMT 1 Likes: 2,782	Jaguar S Type 53 plate Mar 27, 2017 13:13:11 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Mar 27, 2017 13:13:11 GMT 1 if you really wanna be pi$$ed test the jags that don't have an abs lamp,dashboard says abs inop.pass and advise cos a message aint a lamp.god help us....

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Post by nitros44 on Mar 27, 2017 19:03:07 GMT 1

Mar 27, 2017 13:13:11 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

if you really wanna be pi$$ed test the jags that don't have an abs lamp,dashboard says abs inop.pass and advise cos a message aint a lamp.god help us....

"Jags which don't have an abs lamp "
Which "jags" is that ?

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Jaguar S Type 53 plate Mar 27, 2017 19:10:34 GMT 1

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Post by peter on Mar 27, 2017 19:10:34 GMT 1

Mar 26, 2017 10:35:12 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

Mar 25, 2017 9:37:32 GMT 1 David said:

Why did you ring DVSA Dynamo ?

3.1 Parking Brake Control

RfR 7. Electronic parking brake warning indicates a malfunction.

Note: An EPB malfunction may alternatively be indicated by a message on the dashboard

Customer was adamant that his Jaguar was a Class III and RfR 7 should not apply

If he REALLY said his Jag was a a three wheeler under 450kg ULW then get him sectioned and problem solved.

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Jaguar S Type 53 plate Mar 27, 2017 23:41:48 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on Mar 27, 2017 23:41:48 GMT 1

Mar 27, 2017 13:13:11 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

if you really wanna be pi$$ed test the jags that don't have an abs lamp,dashboard says abs inop.pass and advise cos a message aint a lamp.god help us....

Yes there is, and yes I got tripped up with this as well, VOSA back in the day didn't know either. I failed one and the customer took the car to the local Jag dealer, they put their diagnostics on it and could not find a fault, I was duly educated about Jag ABS lamps, so here goes;

When the ignition is switched off, release the park brake lever fully off, switch on the ignition switch and observe the park brake warning lamp illuminate and then go out, apply the park brake lever and watch the park brake lamp illuminate again. The park brake warning lamp is the ABS warning lamp on some Jaguars.

Some Ford Transit Connect vans with ABS also don't have an ABS warning lamp, instead they use the light that appears like an injector/service type light.

Mar 27, 2017 19:10:34 GMT 1 peter said:

Mar 26, 2017 10:35:12 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

Customer was adamant that his Jaguar was a Class III and RfR 7 should not apply

If he REALLY said his Jag was a a three wheeler under 450kg ULW then get him sectioned and problem solved.

Apparently in the real world today most people are probably already sectioned on some type of medication and released onto the streets to save costs

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Post by nitros44 on Mar 28, 2017 1:18:45 GMT 1

mtaeta.info/thread/2299/jaguar-type-abs-warning-lamp

If there's a problem with the abs system a malfunction lamp will be on,along with that a discription on display indicating it's the abs system.

Whichever system is defective the malfunction lamp would illuminate,the message displayed detertermines/diferitiates were the fault lies.

In some cases I've had the lamp(s) on and 2 messages.

Vehicles fitted with a abs system must have a relevant warning lamp
If there's no malfunction lamp on then it should fail for that reason.
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Post by castrolrob on Mar 28, 2017 8:14:57 GMT 1

brake fluid warning lamp not working,01-03 or there abouts trannys have one that only lights up with the fluid low,just to confuse the issue the(shared)handbrake warning aint connected on em ie no handbrake light either so you have no lamp,got loadsa others...

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