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Post by kingpip on Nov 17, 2016 0:03:29 GMT 1

I have spoken to Vauxhall and they class this as a bump stop

And it shows on tis2web as a bump stop as well

I have also got the vehicle weights

Axle 1 actual weight 940kg max weight allowed 1090kg

Axle 2 actual weight 810kg max weight allowed 1140kg

Actual total weight of vehicle 1750kg max weight (gross weight) 2040

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Gaz VTS Council member Posts: 2,157 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Sept 7, 2019 10:16:48 GMT 1 Likes: 738	63-plate combo van pass or fail Nov 17, 2016 8:26:21 GMT 1 via mobile Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Gaz on Nov 17, 2016 8:26:21 GMT 1 Fail from me. Inadequate clearance of a bump stop
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Post by nitros44 on Nov 17, 2016 13:55:13 GMT 1

Nov 17, 2016 9:28:39 GMT 1 lampy said:

Most peugeot/fiat/citroen campers are like that they class them as spring assisters, I would pass and advise.
I believe there was a special notice about it.
I used to fail them before that came out.

Just quoting lampy as I agree with your post .
It's only a fail if the spring assister is compressed

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Post by lampy on Nov 17, 2016 15:59:26 GMT 1

Nov 17, 2016 14:42:42 GMT 1 Gaz said:

Now that you mention it, it does look like quite a big bump stop but why are Vauxhall classing it as one if it's not?

It all depends what they call it, many years ago if you rang Vauxhalls for a throttle position switch they didn't know what it was but if you asked them for a potentiometer they had loads of them.

Opposite way round with Ford

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Post by peter on Nov 17, 2016 19:49:59 GMT 1

I think the most important part of that blog is the last sentence..."would the body foul a road wheel". On that basis if the wheels are still comfortably clear of the body then it's a spring assister and not a bump stop.

That's how I read it anyway.

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Post by gazza on Nov 18, 2016 16:13:44 GMT 1

Nov 18, 2016 13:24:58 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

the mere fact that the question is being asked indicates an element of doubt,benefit of the doubt goes to the vehicle presenter.ok so its over loaded,beyond our remit im afraid.plod can pull him,you cant.

Refuse to test?

h. The vehicle's condition is such that, in the opinion of the NT, a proper examination would involve a risk of injury to any person or damage to the vehicle or other property.

Potential for damage to the jacking points, or even the jack if it's overloaded?

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Post by lampy on Nov 18, 2016 16:26:44 GMT 1

If you can't gain access to inspect the inside/load area or if it is obscured by the contents in there you should refuse to test anyway, plus you have the weight issue.
I know this doesn't happen in real life but its there to use if you need to.

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Post by castrolrob on Nov 19, 2016 11:16:48 GMT 1

Nov 18, 2016 16:26:44 GMT 1 lampy said:

If you can't gain access to inspect the inside/load area or if it is obscured by the contents in there you should refuse to test anyway, plus you have the weight issue.
I know this doesn't happen in real life but its there to use if you need to.

removal of luggage and or effects is not normally required?or has there been another change to test standards that im unaware of?

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Post by lampy on Nov 21, 2016 13:22:38 GMT 1

Nov 19, 2016 11:16:48 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

Nov 18, 2016 16:26:44 GMT 1 lampy said:

If you can't gain access to inspect the inside/load area or if it is obscured by the contents in there you should refuse to test anyway, plus you have the weight issue.
I know this doesn't happen in real life but its there to use if you need to.

removal of luggage and or effects is not normally required?or has there been another change to test standards that im unaware of?

From the book

Note: It is usually necessary to open the bonnet to inspect front suspension components. It may be necessary to inspect the inside of a luggage compartment or boot to effectively check prescribed areas and testable items that otherwise would not be seen.

Depends on your point of view but the men from DVSA get quite animated if you don't look in my experience

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Post by castrolrob on Nov 21, 2016 18:47:56 GMT 1

wont be walking under those circumstances,will be sprinting!to be fair I only have to be able to run faster than nurse Gladys and as shes built for comfort not speed it shouldn't be that difficult.i prefer a rug made from the skin of well fed animals!if they can eat all that in one sitting then they aint gonna be moving right quick either....

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