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Suspect MOT advisories Apr 11, 2015 11:28:20 GMT 1

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Post by marshal on Apr 11, 2015 11:28:20 GMT 1

Hello. I would like some guidance please regarding an mot on my car.

I recently brought my daugter a 2003 ford Ka. it had been mot'd 2 days before we got it and it had some advisories on it. which i was not too fussed about as they are all easily repairaable. they were Slight lift in mcphearson front struts, slight play in steering rod ends, slight contamination of os headlight.

when we got the car home i put the car up on jacks and the slight play in the front mcphearson struts turned out to be about 8-10mm lift ! the slight play in steering rod ends was about 2-3mm movement and as for the headlight. heavy condensation was completly covering the inside of the lense, there was no "slight" about any of the faults on the advisory.

what has annoyed me is that there is no way it should have passed. However these issues as i have said are not a problem for me to repair. (the car was very cheap lol)

is there a way to contest a mot where a car has passed but it is obviously not roadworthy or are these within the limits. thanks

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Post by Gaz on Apr 11, 2015 16:26:17 GMT 1

Hi there.

There is a note on the sheet the tester gets printed out advising the play in the top struts. If I remember correctly 7-8mm is acceptable but normally play is assessed with the wheels on the ground.

The play in he inner arms isn't testible as the jonts are hidden behind the gators so can't be correctly assessed during the test.

The condensation in the headlamp is not necessarily part of the test unless it affects the headlamp aim. My guess is that the condensation does effect the aim but not by enough to warrant a fail and that's why the tester advised the condensation. I could be wrong on that one though.

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Post by ivor on Apr 11, 2015 18:26:38 GMT 1

There is a phone number on the bottom of your mot cert that you can call if you want an inverted appeal, however I would advise against going down that route as you will have to pay full test fee, over £50 pounds, not get these "faults" rectified & still have an old ka

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Post by marshal on Apr 11, 2015 20:33:17 GMT 1

ok guys thanks for you feedback. well it seems all is above board then. I feel assured now but I am very surprised at the amount of permitted wear. As a maintenance fitter by trade for Ford motor co i can appreciate what worn parts do to a machine. I maintain CNC milling machines not cars. But as i said in my first post ill put all these faults right as i think if something is worn is should be replaced. once a maintenance man always a maintenance man ha ha.

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Post by stealth on Apr 11, 2015 22:35:18 GMT 1

Hi marshal & welcome to the forum.

Regards the suspension struts, a number of manufacturers use tapered bearings for the strut tops so it is not uncommon to have some movement when the vehicle is jacked up & the weight is taken off the top bearings.

If I was to agree with you, that would make us both wrong !

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Post by stealth on Apr 11, 2015 22:39:23 GMT 1

Apr 11, 2015 18:26:38 GMT 1 ivor said:

There is a phone number on the bottom of your mot cert that you can call if you want an inverted appeal, however I would advise against going down that route as you will have to pay full test fee, over £50 pounds, not get these "faults" rectified & still have an old ka

Wrong way round ivor. Customer only pays if it was a fail & they feel it should have passed. In this case it would be free.

If I was to agree with you, that would make us both wrong !

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Post by stealth on Apr 12, 2015 8:08:47 GMT 1

Apr 12, 2015 7:43:07 GMT 1 ivor said:

Quite right stealth my mistake, it's been a long week, do you think that there would be an appeal based on these advisory items? Personally I don't think so.

There are five potential defects ivor. If I was doing the appeal I would talk to the customer first. From what marshal has described I would probably discount the play in the suspension struts. I would need more info regards the steering, are we talking track rod ends or inner steering rack couplings. If it is the inner couplings then I would be inclined to discount those too, as the only related failure is for excessive free play at the steering wheel.

If it was worn track rod end ball joints then I would probably do the appeal as there are two defects.

That just leaves the headlamp condensation, which comes down to what the tester saw on the day of the test. Difficult to prove as the level of condensation can vary & I would have to prove categorically that it would have been a fail on the day.

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