Car failed on jacking point

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Car failed on jacking point Apr 15, 2014 21:02:09 GMT 1

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Post by markiexxx on Apr 15, 2014 21:02:09 GMT 1

Hi,

I have a BMW E36 Coupe and was told it failed the MOT as one of the jacking points was corroded/rusted and won't hold. I asked and they said they can fix it and pass it - so I said ok.

When I collected the car I asked them to show me the repair and they showed me they rewelded the front nearside underneath jacking point. - I pointed out the jacking points are on the side of the sill behind a cover

I was confused as the jacking points on the car are on the side by each wheel behind a removable plastic cover. You remove the flap and insert the jack arm in the side then jack it up.See pic:(not my car)

The garage said that it was the jacking point on the bottom of the car - not one the car jack goes into on the side. See pic:(not my car)

Can anyone tell me, if the jacking point on the underside of the car is rusted BUT the side jacking point is ok (point for the jack in the boot) is ok - is it still a failure?

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Post by ivor on Apr 15, 2014 21:41:23 GMT 1

It sounds like there is a bit of confusion in what you have been told. There is no specific fail for excessively corroded jacking points, but, if that jacking point is is a " prescribed area" of seatbelts or suspension mounting points then excessive corrosion would be correct.
Hope that helps

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Car failed on jacking point Apr 15, 2014 22:03:39 GMT 1

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Post by markiexxx on Apr 15, 2014 22:03:39 GMT 1

Apr 15, 2014 21:42:54 GMT 1 Gaz said:

Jacking points are not automatically a failure. It would need to be within 30cm of what's called a prescribed area. Seatbelt mounting points, suspension and subframe bolts etc.

Apr 15, 2014 21:41:23 GMT 1 ivor said:

It sounds like there is a bit of confusion in what you have been told. There is no specific fail for excessively corroded jacking points, but, if that jacking point is is a " prescribed area" of seatbelts or suspension mounting points then excessive corrosion would be correct.
Hope that helps

Thanks for your replies guys.

I guess you'd need a picture - which I can't do at the moment.

The tester specifically said "it has one fail - excessive corrosion on the nearside front jacking point - if you lift it it will go bang/drop down" then said it willneed welding. He didn't mention its related to suspension/seatbets or being in a prescribed 30cm area

However if you look at the front jacking points on the following pic it doesn't look like there is anything within 30cm of the front underside jacking point; s13.photobucket.com/user/jamesdc4/media/e36.jpg.html

Seatbelt mounting point is somewhere in between the front & rear jacking points so not within 30cm.
The front wishbone is also nowhere near as it is mounted quite far inboard so I'm pretty sure its over 30cm.

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ivor MOT tester "Failure is always an option." Mythbusters Posts: 1,981 Class tested: 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: Apr 8, 2023 11:19:45 GMT 1 Likes: 720	Car failed on jacking point Apr 15, 2014 22:12:24 GMT 1 via mobile Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by ivor on Apr 15, 2014 22:12:24 GMT 1 As you say, without a picture it's difficult to say for sure, but if a fail has been issued it should have been given to you & also recorded on the vosa website.

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Post by phaetonott on Apr 16, 2014 0:11:55 GMT 1

I think Ivor is on the right track, Most BMW belts are on the seat.

I suspect the tester was being too helpful.

A simple fail "Seat belt prescribed area excessively corroded" would do the job, Adding in the sext box (At jacking point) would help the contractors who do our welding, but a professional and competant welder should be able to see a rust hole and decide how big to make the repair

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