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Post by danny on Mar 23, 2014 19:47:15 GMT 1

Hi guys recently became an NT a few weeks back doing quite well I think, like reading what most of you say it's a learning curve on most things with the MoT test I just have a question or two...

When a car fails the mot on say a tyre for example, and comes back for the retest in about 6 working days for example, do you fast track it? Does iit matter when they come back so long as it's within the ten working days can you fast track or does it have to be by the end of the next working day?

I'm just confused, people say the only things you perform an actual partial retest is emissions and brakes and headlamp aim?

Sorry if sound confused I just don't know what the timescales are...
Hope you all understand ;-)

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Post by danny on Mar 23, 2014 19:55:27 GMT 1

Hi thanks for reply so no matter what it fails on apart from measured items, you can fast track it no matter how many days after the original test?

Yeah I always check the tyres I've had someone already which has tried that so sent them on their way ;-)

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Post by prb5244 on Mar 23, 2014 20:24:42 GMT 1

as general rule if you look at the items in your reception and you will see a list of free items you can fast track these and free if returned within 24 hr or not left the premises.
and if measured items you do like brake result emissions headlamp aim do a partial retest but dont worry witch way you do it vosa will except either way as long as you give right result

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Post by baz657 on Mar 23, 2014 23:32:54 GMT 1

Just one important thing to add to this... You must not use fast track if there is an advisory on any aspect of brake performance.

So for example if there is an advisory on brake judder, balance, only just enough percentage, etc then you must carry out a partial retest and re-enter the brake readings.

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Post by phaetonott on Mar 24, 2014 0:52:50 GMT 1

As the two guys above said.

If the car does not come back with the failure sheet I ALWAYS print myself a copy. My boss says he's written the VT30 number on the sheet and it's not until you're logged on you discover a page and a half of advisories to check.

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Post by ivor on Apr 10, 2014 18:05:51 GMT 1

Mar 23, 2014 23:18:34 GMT 1 Gaz said:

Everything can be fast tracked except brake items.

mtaeta.info/thread/562/measured-items-fast-track-reply

I am all for fast track, BUT TODAY I am on a refresher & the trainer is most adamant that All measured item's, headlamp aim, emissions & brakes must not be ft,d recons it came out last summer. I wish dvla would tell us ffs

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Post by Gaz on Apr 10, 2014 19:58:44 GMT 1

What came out last summer? A special notice?

When I did my nt course last summer I was told all measured items could NOT be fast tracked. Same thing your being told. Then I read that VOSA reply and stuck with it.

If your still on your course tomorow can you not show them the reply and see what they say?

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Post by phaetonott on Apr 12, 2014 2:00:37 GMT 1

Originally the RBT/DSM/EGA and VTS device were supposed to communicate but they never did get it working. The manual was written to account for all these measured items to be electeonicly recorded onto the system, which could not happen in fasttrack. You have to type in brake readings, so they cannot be fasttracked, but you don't type in emissions values or headlamp settings so they can be fasttracked.

But don't worry about it. When comp2 starts there will be too many other things to worry about.

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Post by phaetonott on Apr 12, 2014 22:09:01 GMT 1

Of course you carry out the emissions test grumpy, and you file your piece of paper in the normal manner.

But there is no facility on the device to enter your emissions readings, you simply issue or don't issue an RfR for failing the emissions test. Therefor you may fast-track. There is no difference in you computer procedure to fast-tracking a tyre. You drive into the bay, check all failures for rectification, check all advisories. Go to the device and print off a fast-track pass. Or if you're really grumpy, print off a fast-track fail

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Post by ivor on Apr 12, 2014 22:22:22 GMT 1

Apr 12, 2014 22:09:01 GMT 1 phaetonott said:

Of course you carry out the emissions test grumpy, and you file your piece of paper in the normal manner.

But there is no facility on the device to enter your emissions readings, you simply issue or don't issue an RfR for failing the emissions test. Therefor you may fast-track. There is no difference in you computer procedure to fast-tracking a tyre. You drive into the bay, check all failures for rectification, check all advisories. Go to the device and print off a fast-track pass. Or if you're really grumpy, print off a fast-track fail

And that is what I have done, also with headlamp aim, but this week I have been on a refresher & the trainer insisted that fast track is WRONG for those. He said that he didn't see the point but as the TG had been righten by vosa & IM had been righten by Siemens the TG is the correct guide, he was also concerned that a SN had not been issued & is not going to either.

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Post by ivor on Apr 12, 2014 22:26:55 GMT 1

Apr 12, 2014 18:41:59 GMT 1 grumpy said:

I can't agree with the notion that you do not need to carry out an emission test on re-testing. It's a measured item and you have to keep a copy of the result. What evidence would you have that the emissions have actually been re-tested.

No one would suggest not retesting emmisions where did that come from?

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