Electrical wiring?

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Electrical wiring? Sept 25, 2013 23:25:47 GMT 1

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Post by phaetonott on Sept 25, 2013 23:25:47 GMT 1

I've been resisting asking this as it came out with the last set of changes and I haven't got the RBT sorted yet but . . . . . .

MoI says something like " check all vivble electrical wiring " and the RfR "Likely to become damaged"

Do they really mean ALL

A few days ago I found a P206 with a DIY stereo installation which included runnung a 4mm diameter live wire from the battery, through the inner wing and into the cat through the door aperture. As the door closed the hinge and door check mechanism chewed the wire. Quite happy to fail that.

Today, immaculate 60plate golf, 45000 miles clean pass with no advisories. . . . . . Except! Broken brake pad sensor wire rubbing on strut as it moved. Not exactly hazardous, as it is the earth switching wire,(connects to earth when the pads are worn) so a short will only put the light on. Pads are nearly new so it's not going to come into play for a couple of service intervals, but the manual sounds like it's a fail.

So what's your opinion chaps? fail it? and look like a total Ahole, or excersise discretion and risk testing to the wrong standards?

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Electrical wiring? Sept 26, 2013 0:05:18 GMT 1

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Post by baz657 on Sept 26, 2013 0:05:18 GMT 1

In the past we've wrapped some insulating tape around bare pad sensor and ABS sensor wires. PRS and an advisory about a temporary repair and the customer goes off happy (and will probably be back next year with the tape still there).

In answer to the question, or the answer given last time I asked it, was yes, ALL visible wiring.

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Electrical wiring? Sept 26, 2013 2:51:37 GMT 1

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Post by phaetonott on Sept 26, 2013 2:51:37 GMT 1

I don't PRS anything more than a headlamp aim baz657. Not my choice, but unless I know my next slot is clear I'm struggling to do 45 minute slots as it and I haven't got time to go looking for tape or cable-ties.

The company as a whole is doing an extra 300 tests a day since we switched to 45 minute slots so they wont change back, and all the time some of our guys take the pi55 out of the scheme they won't believe that 45mins is a struggle. I watched one of our testers do a "test" this evening while I was doing a retest, Car was in the workshop for 22 minutes and then he did the tracking on his own car before he logged off. Today I did a full test(retest after 12 days, waiting for parts) Original test was failed on emissions, and advised one tyre.
Retest failed it on 6 items, including a rear door not capable of being opened, seized load sensing valve, leaking rear wheel cylinder, brake fluid level low, and a rack gaiter. And the manager is expecting me to just check the CO, because the car hasn't left the site! The first thing the other tester said to me was "F*******hell its taken you twice as long to do that test as it took me to do the original one!"
Hmmmmmm . . . . At least he's helping VOSA keep the pass rate up

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Electrical wiring? Sept 26, 2013 19:48:05 GMT 1

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Post by davidg on Sept 26, 2013 19:48:05 GMT 1

With this wiring check in the mot test, the manual wording makes it read as though any wiring exposing bare ends or damaged likely to cause a short should fail, however my recent station visit from VOSA said that wiring etc must be in such a condition that it is likely to cause a short to fail, so in your brake pads wiring, you know it won't become a fire risk, so it is a pass and advise.

In your other example about the aftermarket wiring through the door posts etc, chafing and all that, that is a refusal to test because the vehicle is in a too dangerous condition to be tested safely.

I think VOSA are expecting us to use our experience here and not just fail any and all wiring seen that looks iffy, we need to think about the decision to make and the reason we are making it, not just fail because the book says so, we must use common sense, although the book has not got it in my opinion.

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Electrical wiring? Sept 26, 2013 19:51:32 GMT 1

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Post by kjb on Sept 26, 2013 19:51:32 GMT 1

Sept 25, 2013 23:25:47 GMT 1 phaetonott said:

I've been resisting asking this as it came out with the last set of changes and I haven't got the RBT sorted yet but . . . . . .

MoI says something like " check all vivble electrical wiring " and the RfR "Likely to become damaged"

Do they really mean ALL

A few days ago I found a P206 with a DIY stereo installation which included runnung a 4mm diameter live wire from the battery, through the inner wing and into the cat through the door aperture. As the door closed the hinge and door check mechanism chewed the wire. Quite happy to fail that.

Today, immaculate 60plate golf, 45000 miles clean pass with no advisories. . . . . . Except! Broken brake pad sensor wire rubbing on strut as it moved. Not exactly hazardous, as it is the earth switching wire,(connects to earth when the pads are worn) so a short will only put the light on. Pads are nearly new so it's not going to come into play for a couple of service intervals, but the manual sounds like it's a fail.

So what's your opinion chaps? fail it? and look like a total Ahole, or excersise discretion and risk testing to the wrong standards?

Best piece of advice I was given by a bloody good VE was if you have to think about it or take a sharp intake of breath it's a pass & advise,if it's obvious it's a fail

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Electrical wiring? Sept 26, 2013 21:41:12 GMT 1

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Post by Gaz on Sept 26, 2013 21:41:12 GMT 1

Sept 25, 2013 23:25:47 GMT 1 phaetonott said:

Broken brake pad sensor wire rubbing on strut as it moved. Not exactly hazardous, as it is the earth switching wire,(connects to earth when the pads are worn) so a short will only put the light on. Pads are nearly new so it's not going to come into play for a couple of service intervals, but the manual sounds like it's a fail.

So what's your opinion chaps? fail it? and look like a total Ahole, or excersise discretion and risk testing to the wrong standards?

I had a Transporter van with a similar defect phaetonott. The wire was fairly long as it had somehow broken near the plug end. I PRS it for additional braking device wiring insecure (something similar to that any way) after yanking it out of the pad. Also had one of those Schumacher stilos with a bare (clearly aftermarket) bit of speaker wire dangling infront of the throttle pedal. That failed.

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Post by phaetonott on Sept 25, 2013 23:25:47 GMT 1

Post by baz657 on Sept 26, 2013 0:05:18 GMT 1

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Post by kjb on Sept 26, 2013 19:51:32 GMT 1

Post by Gaz on Sept 26, 2013 21:41:12 GMT 1