Autodata Vs Haynes Pro

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Autodata Vs Haynes Pro Sept 2, 2023 22:29:56 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on Sept 2, 2023 22:29:56 GMT 1

I've used Autodata since the 1980's and over time I can see that decline is very much the order of the day with their technical data on their website. It appears to me now everyday that nothing is available on their website now for either proper fault code reading or descriptions, nor proper technical information for diagnostics.

I've seen Haynes Pro before and seen the demo version years ago but Autodata back then did provide technical data with reasonable coverage. I've recently looked at Haynes Pro online and see a demo version, which does not look very detailed in the areas of diagnostics. It looks to me to be like Autodate used to be when they offered pin data and advised how to check a sensor voltage and ground, telling you whether it was good or bad, however times have moved on a lot and the days of spending hours under the bonnet back probing sensors and actuators to prove nothing are really long gone, so is there anyone using Haynes Pro on a professional level and is it any good for advanced diagnostics?

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Autodata Vs Haynes Pro Sept 3, 2023 8:31:12 GMT 1 via mobile Dynamo and mike617 like this

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Post by wally on Sept 3, 2023 8:31:12 GMT 1

I would say that for advanced diagnostics you need to register for access to the manufacturers portals. Full genuine technical information with full test plans are avaliable but you will have to pay by the hour/day/year whichever you choose.
All this is better if you have the manufacturers dedicated diagnostic tools.

I have always found that Autodata, Haynes, Workshop data etc all have some omissions or incorrect data or wiring diagrams etc whereas nobody knows a particular vehicle better than the manufacturers.

The common faults information is invaluable as often it takes you straight to a fault.

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Autodata Vs Haynes Pro Sept 3, 2023 11:25:38 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on Sept 3, 2023 11:25:38 GMT 1

I didn't think they were that straight forward to be honest wally. A few years back I used BMW and the options were as you say but only readable data and not downloadable. It was a pain in the neck trying to remember what you'd read once and then you went to the car to investigate. Ford on the other hand were even worse. I started at the dealers with an intermittent starting problem on a Mondeo and they had the car two days and then gave it me back saying nothing was wrong with it. I went to collect the car and it would not start on their forecourt. I went back into reception and advised them and they all got up and walked out, leaving me there on my own. Later I registered on Ford Etis but their information was poor at best, however after researching and finding some data to help I managed to diagnose the Mondeo none/intermittent starting problem and fixed it. I then wrote back to the management of Ford who rang me up and gave me a full refund and appologised.

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Autodata Vs Haynes Pro Sept 3, 2023 13:50:44 GMT 1 via mobile mike617 likes this

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Post by dwain on Sept 3, 2023 13:50:44 GMT 1

We use E3 Technical which has just been bought out by HaynesPro. I’m not exactly sure of their commercial relationship prior to the acquisition but they were always very closely aligned and I have been told the data is basically the same. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t say it’s great for advanced diagnostics, although admittedly we don’t have the top package.

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Post by Dynamo on Sept 3, 2023 14:21:15 GMT 1

I've explained to them that I've been a regulary user of Autodata since the 1980s and I'm looking for more advanced diagnostics abilities. They say they will contact me next week to set up a trial period. I'm going to ask them to setup one for their advanced diagnostics section and see what I think after say a month of use. The once they have online at the moment seems very basic and may not be up to what I'm looking for.

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Autodata Vs Haynes Pro Sept 3, 2023 20:27:28 GMT 1 via mobile mike617 and dwain like this

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Post by nitros44 on Sept 3, 2023 20:27:28 GMT 1

Sept 3, 2023 13:50:44 GMT 1 dwain said:

We use E3 Technical which has just been bought out by HaynesPro. I’m not exactly sure of their commercial relationship prior to the acquisition but they were always very closely aligned and I have been told the data is basically the same. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t say it’s great for advanced diagnostics, although admittedly we don’t have the top package.

We've used both and the advance version of Haynes pro and it's an asset for advance diagnosis.

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Post by baz657 on Sept 4, 2023 10:32:49 GMT 1

We've got Haynes Pro for basic, day-to-day stuff, but when more involved and/or complicated (and the customer being willing to pay the daily fee) we use manufacturers' portals. It's an automatic add-on to offering electronic service book entries for most manufacturers. The most important thing is to make sure you have a reliable internet connection. If the net goes down halfway through an ECU reprogram, that ECU could possibly become an expensive door stop.

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Autodata Vs Haynes Pro Sept 4, 2023 17:33:23 GMT 1 mike617 likes this

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Post by Dynamo on Sept 4, 2023 17:33:23 GMT 1

I've got the E3 technical now. They gave me the most up-to-date top of the range they say for a fortnight. Up to now they do fault codes, wiring data (some) and pin data, among many other areas. The in-depth detail I'm not fully convinced about, but its early days just yet.

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Autodata Vs Haynes Pro Sept 5, 2023 12:44:23 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on Sept 5, 2023 12:44:23 GMT 1

Sept 4, 2023 20:57:56 GMT 1 nitros44 said:

Have you checked out the diagnoses ( computer aided) yet

I might be missing your point here, but looking through the software there is only "Engine management" and "Fault diagnostics". Looking through that data both systems use the same subheadings and systems just using a different "title" to promote it?

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