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Post by baldrick on Jan 18, 2016 22:54:30 GMT 1

Has anyone else noticed that there is a major problem with corrosion in the rear axles and chassis ?

I have seen quite a few really bad examples . The most recent one came in for test just before Christmas . I failed it for the top brackets on the axle being severely corroded . i also failed it for the chassis crossmember that they fasten to being almost non-existant . I clicked the 'Dangerous' box .

The customer said that they would bring it back in in the New Year for repairs . I advised them to scrap it .

It turned up unexpectedly the other day after they had heard a loud knocking noise when they were on the motorway .

The brackets on the top of the axle have both crumbled and let go . The axle has been twisting so much that it has snapped both rear shockers . I drove the car onto the ramp , and can best describe the handling as I would imagine having a piggyback on Zebedee .

Surely when we test vehicles in such a state there needs to be some way we can stop them going back on the road . I have parked it up and will not risk moving it again until I am driving it onto a ramp to repair it. I have got a replacement axle and a section of chassis to fit when I get a minute .

Should this get a mention in our VSI section ? If so maybe Peugeot and Citroen EPS racks belong there too . Have seen a fair few of them cracked where the EPS bit fastens to the rack .

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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 23:03:14 GMT 1

I will add that when there is such corrosion within the structure of a vehicle, then there really does need to be something in place on who should and shouldn't be repairing such important structural work.

When we have to pass such repairs that have been cobbled together and then covered in body schultz, then something is very much wrong. As usual, it's going to take complete carnage on the roads for it to be addressed.

At my place we specialize in welding repair work, so this is coming from the viewpoint of having to correct some absolutely shocking welding 'repairs'

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Post by baldrick on Jan 18, 2016 23:20:13 GMT 1

Welding and fabricating is one of the things I am very good at . Some of the repairs I see make me cringe . you make a good point . There should be a rule that such repairs should be presented for retest with a maximum of a light coating of primer or suchlike .

An advisory worded along the lines of 'Welding repairs have been painted/seam-sealered/undersealed over preventing a close inspection of the quality of the workmanship' is of no use to anyone when they are sat at the side of the road nursing the bodies of their dead relatives .

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Post by peter on Jan 19, 2016 9:05:38 GMT 1

This has long been an issue which bothers me when the repairs are done elsewhere and the car comes back for a retest. One example was a holed sill which came back with fibreglass over the damage. The presenter swore that it had been properly welded and the fibreglass had been put over it to keep the water out. I was certain in my mind that the fibreglass was the only "repair" that had been made but what could I do? You all know the answer. I can't cause damage by poking away at the repair so I have to take the presenters word for it and give him a pass. I don't feel happy about it but that is the situation we have.

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Post by wally on Jan 19, 2016 15:17:16 GMT 1

Jan 18, 2016 23:20:13 GMT 1 baldrick said:

There should be a rule that such repairs should be presented for retest with a maximum of a light coating of primer or suchlike .

Trouble is, where would you stop with repairs carried out elsewhere?

It is probably just as dangerous having had a track rod end fitted that cost £3.99 including postage and originated in China, but nowt we can do abouit it.

It is the customers that need educating but when money is involved they usually have selective hearing.

Wally

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Post by castrolrob on Jan 19, 2016 17:40:28 GMT 1

try a Hyundai trajet(you know,the one that looks like it wants to be a Chrysler voyager but failed the audition)last one I failed was Saturday,had a few now.rear suspension arms rotted out around the spring platforms.ill just get em patched up was his cheery cry.not if you want me to pass it you wont rrant

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Post by peter on Jan 20, 2016 19:57:38 GMT 1

Jan 19, 2016 15:17:16 GMT 1 wally said:

Jan 18, 2016 23:20:13 GMT 1 baldrick said:

There should be a rule that such repairs should be presented for retest with a maximum of a light coating of primer or suchlike .

Trouble is, where would you stop with repairs carried out elsewhere?

It is probably just as dangerous having had a track rod end fitted that cost £3.99 including postage and originated in China, but nowt we can do abouit it.

It is the customers that need educating but when money is involved they usually have selective hearing.

Wally

That's another interesting point, but going away from the original subject a bit. I can't be the only one who is amazed by some (and it is only some, but a startlingly large percentage) of the public who just want an MOT pass. They don't care if it's safe they just want a pass.
Let's all be honest, we're only offering a fairly minimal guarantee of safety at one point in time, and that only on specific items. But I have customers who continually moan about failures on tyres with wire sticking through the worn carcass, ball joints about to pop free and so on. Let alone the advisories where they say "but you passed it last year". Yes, but I told you it was worn and you've done 10,000 miles since then!

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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 10:44:47 GMT 1

I find that the general attitude towards vehicle safety is low, although it depends on your clientele - I live and work in a deprived area, so I get to deal with more than my fair share of bottom feeders.

Your tyre example is a classic example, a lot of folk would rather moan at us for failing a bald & dangerous tyre than thank us for infomring them of the fact.

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Post by peter on Jan 21, 2016 21:33:46 GMT 1

Jan 21, 2016 16:34:35 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

on a related note to the bottom feeders has anyone else noticed the amount of vehicles with long expired tests coming thru?

Not really but then again lack of a current MOT test has always been viewed by the police (and courts) as a fairly minor matter so why not?

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Post by peter on Jan 21, 2016 21:38:03 GMT 1

Jan 18, 2016 22:54:30 GMT 1 baldrick said:

Has anyone else noticed that there is a major problem with corrosion in the rear axles and chassis ?

I have seen quite a few really bad examples . The most recent one came in for test just before Christmas . I failed it for the top brackets on the axle being severely corroded . i also failed it for the chassis crossmember that they fasten to being almost non-existant . I clicked the 'Dangerous' box .

The customer said that they would bring it back in in the New Year for repairs . I advised them to scrap it .

It turned up unexpectedly the other day after they had heard a loud knocking noise when they were on the motorway .

The brackets on the top of the axle have both crumbled and let go . The axle has been twisting so much that it has snapped both rear shockers . I drove the car onto the ramp , and can best describe the handling as I would imagine having a piggyback on Zebedee .

Surely when we test vehicles in such a state there needs to be some way we can stop them going back on the road . I have parked it up and will not risk moving it again until I am driving it onto a ramp to repair it. I have got a replacement axle and a section of chassis to fit when I get a minute .

Should this get a mention in our VSI section ? If so maybe Peugeot and Citroen EPS racks belong there too . Have seen a fair few of them cracked where the EPS bit fastens to the rack .

I'm sure there was some talk a while back about testers being able to issue prohibition notices. But then it went away again....

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Post by ivor on Jan 21, 2016 23:17:54 GMT 1

Jan 21, 2016 16:34:35 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

on a related note to the bottom feeders has anyone else noticed the amount of vehicles with long expired tests coming thru?

I'm sure that it is connected to the non display of the tax disc, apparently there is a record number of untaxed car's on the road.

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Post by castrolrob on Jan 22, 2016 12:51:19 GMT 1

as a for instance of the first 6 cars 1 tested yesterday 4 had expired,shortest 2 mnths ago,longest 8mnths.ive always run off a duplicate of the last test for the obvious qc+commercial considerations so maybe im the only one doing so and the only one spotting this but I am certain I can pin this trend down to the last 8 mnths or so,given that they stopped sending discs out august14 this matches pretty closely to 12mnths later.if they can tell how many untaxed cars are on the road then can they tell us if the amount of cars on the road with no mot has increased?another government initiative shoots itself in the head sshoot

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Post by ivor on Jan 22, 2016 19:40:37 GMT 1

Jan 22, 2016 12:51:19 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

as a for instance of the first 6 cars 1 tested yesterday 4 had expired,shortest 2 mnths ago,longest 8mnths.ive always run off a duplicate of the last test for the obvious qc+commercial considerations so maybe im the only one doing so and the only one spotting this but I am certain I can pin this trend down to the last 8 mnths or so,given that they stopped sending discs out august14 this matches pretty closely to 12mnths later.if they can tell how many untaxed cars are on the road then can they tell us if the amount of cars on the road with no mot has increased?another government initiative shoots itself in the head sshoot

Lets just have a quick think about what matters most, road tax which goes direct to the gov or mot fee that mostly stays in the motor trade, oh yes not the the inspection that may actually contribute to road safety censoredsign

hac665 MOT tester Posts: 40 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Jan 25, 2016 13:00:55 GMT 1 Likes: 18	Kia Sportage axles and chassis Jan 23, 2016 14:52:11 GMT 1 nitros44 likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by hac665 on Jan 23, 2016 14:52:11 GMT 1 And how many people can't even be bothered to take their expired tax disc out of the screen. Anything now over a year out of date I'm failing

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