Wrong suspension arm

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Wrong suspension arm Nov 3, 2015 8:28:59 GMT 1

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Post by baldrick on Nov 3, 2015 8:28:59 GMT 1

Ford StreetKa . The nearside front tyre is worn almost to the point of popping on the inner shoulder..Cords showing and worn through and broken and there is a deep split that runs right around the tyre .. The outer shoulder is in almost as new condition . With the steeringwheel in the straight-ahead position the angle of the nearside wheel is quite obviously wrong and is clearly the cause of the wear on the tyre .
A quick look behind the wheel reveals a newish suspension arm with a big red sticker on it bearing words along the lines of 'WARNING . This suspension arm must not be fitted to StreetKa ' . This got me searching through the RFRs but I can't find anything appropriate to use .
Any ideas ?

peter Retired Posts: 1,685 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Apr 17, 2024 12:47:06 GMT 1 Likes: 1,144	Wrong suspension arm Nov 3, 2015 8:37:31 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by peter on Nov 3, 2015 8:37:31 GMT 1 Fails on the tyre obviously. Other than that I'm thinking a manual advisory on the arm and refusal to conduct brake test in case something lets go?

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Post by nitros44 on Nov 4, 2015 1:20:01 GMT 1

Nov 3, 2015 21:12:07 GMT 1 aylesburyjock said:

Inappropriate modification?

That would only apply to a component that is already fitted.
The modification to a suspension component will have to cause the component to became seriously weakened.
In this case it's not a repair or modification,its a replacement part so pass/advise.

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baldrick VTS Council member Posts: 670 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Feb 13, 2024 11:22:14 GMT 1 Likes: 395	Wrong suspension arm Nov 4, 2015 1:46:40 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by baldrick on Nov 4, 2015 1:46:40 GMT 1 As Nitros said ..The arm itself has not been modified in any way . Wish I could figure how to post pics on here . I have some belters ,

paul0 MOT tester Posts: 67 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Jul 20, 2020 23:18:32 GMT 1 Likes: 19	Wrong suspension arm Nov 4, 2015 1:47:08 GMT 1 via mobile Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by paul0 on Nov 4, 2015 1:47:08 GMT 1 Pass and advise on arm

chrisdms MOT tester Posts: 40 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Apr 18, 2024 12:13:31 GMT 1 Likes: 12	Wrong suspension arm Nov 4, 2015 9:31:12 GMT 1 tones61 and flapperjack7 like this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by chrisdms on Nov 4, 2015 9:31:12 GMT 1 Another case of incorrect parts fitted.

pete Administrator VTS Council member Freelance Tester Business owner Posts: 2,235 Class tested: 3, 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: May 7, 2024 14:10:16 GMT 1 Likes: 668	Wrong suspension arm Nov 4, 2015 10:33:03 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by pete on Nov 4, 2015 10:33:03 GMT 1 Inappropriate repair possibly. Section 2.19 www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-parts-checked-at-an-mot/car-parts-checked-at-an-mot

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Post by chrisdms on Nov 4, 2015 10:42:56 GMT 1

Nov 4, 2015 10:33:03 GMT 1 pete said:

Inappropriate repair possibly.

Section 2.19

www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-parts-checked-at-an-mot/car-parts-checked-at-an-mot

That was what I failed it for, along with insecure bottom balljoints. They had been tightened until they started to spin!!!

pete Administrator VTS Council member Freelance Tester Business owner Posts: 2,235 Class tested: 3, 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: May 7, 2024 14:10:16 GMT 1 Likes: 668	Wrong suspension arm Nov 4, 2015 10:55:38 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by pete on Nov 4, 2015 10:55:38 GMT 1 I think it might also be appropriate for the KA suspension arm.

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Post by nitros44 on Nov 4, 2015 14:00:48 GMT 1

Nov 4, 2015 10:42:56 GMT 1 chrisdms said:

Nov 4, 2015 10:33:03 GMT 1 pete said:

Inappropriate repair possibly.

Section 2.19

www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-parts-checked-at-an-mot/car-parts-checked-at-an-mot

That was what I failed it for, along with insecure bottom balljoints. They had been tightened until they started to spin!!!

Once again its not a modificatio or repair to the original part so its a pass and advise.
The method of inspection is to check the components for modifications and innapropite repairs that seriously weaken the part.
Replacing the arm or brake pads with incorrect new parts does not seriously weaken that part does it

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baldrick VTS Council member Posts: 670 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Feb 13, 2024 11:22:14 GMT 1 Likes: 395	Wrong suspension arm Nov 4, 2015 14:24:16 GMT 1 dizzydiver likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by baldrick on Nov 4, 2015 14:24:16 GMT 1 That looks more like it has been the brake disc that has been replaced with an undersized one .

pete Administrator VTS Council member Freelance Tester Business owner Posts: 2,235 Class tested: 3, 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: May 7, 2024 14:10:16 GMT 1 Likes: 668	Wrong suspension arm Nov 4, 2015 16:52:08 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by pete on Nov 4, 2015 16:52:08 GMT 1 On this rare occasion nitros i have to disagree with you as my interpretation to the link i posted is different. I will try and get clarification at next weeks council meeting and post what i find out.

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Wrong suspension arm Nov 6, 2015 20:55:32 GMT 1

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Post by chris on Nov 6, 2015 20:55:32 GMT 1

Fitted 2 wrongly supplied arms to a streetka about 3 years ago it was but virtually impossible to drive. Cant remember exactly but think a normal ka ball joint arm is smaller so fittings this makes the wheel kick in badly. It does need to be failed. Worth another look on lock to lock because the tyre may be fouling something.

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Post by Gaz on Nov 6, 2015 23:22:12 GMT 1

Nov 4, 2015 16:52:08 GMT 1 pete said:

On this rare occasion nitros i have to disagree with you as my interpretation to the link i posted is different. I will try and get clarification at next weeks council meeting and post what i find out.

My interpretation is the same as nitros44's.

We're checking the individual components haven't been inappropriately repaired or modified. Not if the correct ones have been fitted

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Post by Paul on Nov 7, 2015 12:38:52 GMT 1

Nov 4, 2015 10:42:56 GMT 1 chrisdms said:

Nov 4, 2015 10:33:03 GMT 1 pete said:

Inappropriate repair possibly.

Section 2.19

www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-parts-checked-at-an-mot/car-parts-checked-at-an-mot

That was what I failed it for, along with insecure bottom balljoints. They had been tightened until they started to spin!!!

would Fail = inappropriately repaired

Nov 4, 2015 10:55:38 GMT 1 pete said:

I think it might also be appropriate for the KA suspension arm.

and again Fail = inappropriately repaired, with maybe - 'Failure is dangerous' (as it affects a steered wheel)

improvise as able as the Inspection Manual cannot take into account every possible eventuality therefore common sense plays a role.

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Post by aylesburyjock on Nov 7, 2015 16:27:11 GMT 1

Nov 6, 2015 23:22:12 GMT 1 Gaz said:

Nov 4, 2015 16:52:08 GMT 1 pete said:

On this rare occasion nitros i have to disagree with you as my interpretation to the link i posted is different. I will try and get clarification at next weeks council meeting and post what i find out.

My interpretation is the same as nitros44's.

We're checking the individual components haven't been inappropriately repaired or modified. Not if the correct ones have been fitted

Which in this case they have not.

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Post by ivor on Nov 7, 2015 18:57:37 GMT 1

Nov 7, 2015 16:27:11 GMT 1 aylesburyjock said:

Nov 6, 2015 23:22:12 GMT 1 Gaz said:

My interpretation is the same as nitros44's.

We're checking the individual components haven't been inappropriately repaired or modified. Not if the correct ones have been fitted

Which in this case they have not.

So jock, it is the suspension system that has had an inappropriate modification rather than an individual component, is there a rfr for that? s11266

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