Door won't open

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Door won't open Sept 19, 2015 8:48:17 GMT 1

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Post by glen on Sept 19, 2015 8:48:17 GMT 1

So, had a guy in this morning with a Sprinter. He has 'slam locks' fitted so you have to use a key to open the door.
The door handle is still there, but not operational.
It clearly is not an armored security vehicle but I can't see that using a key is opening the door by the 'relevant control'

I would appreciate your thoughts

ivor MOT tester "Failure is always an option." Mythbusters Posts: 1,981 Class tested: 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: Apr 8, 2023 11:19:45 GMT 1 Likes: 720	Door won't open Sept 19, 2015 13:14:51 GMT 1 via mobile Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by ivor on Sept 19, 2015 13:14:51 GMT 1 Sounds like a fail to me if the doors won't open from the outside.

wkg AE/Manager/Owner Posts: 13 Last Online: Feb 24, 2019 15:55:28 GMT 1 Likes: 1	Door won't open Sept 19, 2015 14:58:35 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by wkg on Sept 19, 2015 14:58:35 GMT 1 which door? Who is to say that the key is not left in the lock, so the door can be opened, advisory at the most, door does not have to openned with a handle just a relevant control

prb5244 MOT tester Posts: 319 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Mar 6, 2022 18:09:23 GMT 1 Likes: 57	Door won't open Sept 19, 2015 19:38:14 GMT 1 via Tapatalk Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by prb5244 on Sept 19, 2015 19:38:14 GMT 1 I would refuse to test it found on my pre check dont forget you got posible perscribed area or elecric wireing to inspect

prb5244 MOT tester Posts: 319 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Mar 6, 2022 18:09:23 GMT 1 Likes: 57	Door won't open Sept 19, 2015 19:41:41 GMT 1 via Tapatalk Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by prb5244 on Sept 19, 2015 19:41:41 GMT 1 If its a passenger entry it has to be able to opened from outside by reverent control

wkg AE/Manager/Owner Posts: 13 Last Online: Feb 24, 2019 15:55:28 GMT 1 Likes: 1	Door won't open Sept 20, 2015 10:35:10 GMT 1 pete likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by wkg on Sept 20, 2015 10:35:10 GMT 1 I think a relevant control is just that, and you can fit any control to open a door from the outside as long as it works, if the key is there and it opens, advisory only at the most.

baz657 Administrator Keeping safe Posts: 4,706 Class tested: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: May 7, 2024 9:27:31 GMT 1 Likes: 1,613	Door won't open Sept 20, 2015 11:19:39 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by baz657 on Sept 20, 2015 11:19:39 GMT 1 Read the manual... A lack of doors or door handles because of original design characteristics or specialist modification is not a Reason for Rejection. Sounds like a modification to me.
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Post by ivor on Sept 20, 2015 12:18:31 GMT 1

Sept 20, 2015 11:19:39 GMT 1 baz657 said:

Read the manual...

A lack of doors or door handles because of original design characteristics or specialist modification is not a Reason for Rejection.

Sounds like a modification to me.

Thanks getting the manual out baz your right it does sound like a mod, so I have to change my fail to a pass

glen MOT tester Posts: 32 Class tested: 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: May 2, 2018 9:57:56 GMT 1 Likes: 1	Door won't open Sept 20, 2015 12:48:51 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by glen on Sept 20, 2015 12:48:51 GMT 1 It is a mod - But the door handle is present but not operational. In fairness , the key was present and it did open. I guess the fact I am unsure, means it should be pass/advise.

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Post by stealth on Sept 20, 2015 19:37:36 GMT 1

Sept 20, 2015 12:48:51 GMT 1 glen said:

It is a mod - But the door handle is present but not operational.
In fairness , the key was present and it did open.
I guess the fact I am unsure, means it should be pass/advise.

That would be a good choice. Had a similar issue once with a modded VW Golf. The door handles had been removed and the apertures filled. The doors opened by transponder fob.

If I was to agree with you, that would make us both wrong !

castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,380 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Apr 24, 2024 14:00:26 GMT 1 Likes: 2,766	Door won't open Sept 23, 2015 17:38:38 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Sept 23, 2015 17:38:38 GMT 1 had one a few years back,doorlocks/handles filled in,outer release a bit of wire in the wheel arch.pass+advise but weren't happy about it...

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Door won't open Sept 23, 2015 22:22:23 GMT 1

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Post by ivor on Sept 23, 2015 22:22:23 GMT 1

Sept 20, 2015 19:37:36 GMT 1 stealth said:

Sept 20, 2015 12:48:51 GMT 1 glen said:

It is a mod - But the door handle is present but not operational.
In fairness , the key was present and it did open.
I guess the fact I am unsure, means it should be pass/advise.

That would be a good choice. Had a similar issue once with a modded VW Golf. The door handles had been removed and the apertures filled. The doors opened by transponder fob.

That's just plain stupid & dangerous IMO.
Can that earn a prohibition notice?

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Door won't open Sept 24, 2015 12:32:14 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on Sept 24, 2015 12:32:14 GMT 1

it wouldn't concern me what method was used to secure the door provided that I could open it and it was secure when closed. Relevant Control to me could well be any key that fits the lock device, or anything at all that allows the door to be opened when required.

You can't "unbreak" the broken,you can only break the unbroken to break the break of the unbroken, for me, you cannot unbreak me, for I am already broken,so you have no need to break the break because I am not unbroken.

ivor MOT tester "Failure is always an option." Mythbusters Posts: 1,981 Class tested: 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: Apr 8, 2023 11:19:45 GMT 1 Likes: 720	Door won't open Sept 24, 2015 13:27:33 GMT 1 via mobile Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by ivor on Sept 24, 2015 13:27:33 GMT 1 I guess my point is that how would any fire/ambulance staff know about the "relavant control " or if the fob was in the drivers pocket

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Post by stealth on Sept 25, 2015 8:00:02 GMT 1

Sept 24, 2015 13:27:33 GMT 1 ivor said:

I guess my point is that how would any fire/ambulance staff know about the "relavant control " or if the fob was in the drivers pocket

The water fairies don't worry about that kind of thing,they just cut the roof off.

If I was to agree with you, that would make us both wrong !

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Door won't open Sept 25, 2015 12:52:37 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on Sept 25, 2015 12:52:37 GMT 1

Sept 25, 2015 8:00:02 GMT 1 stealth said:

Sept 24, 2015 13:27:33 GMT 1 ivor said:

I guess my point is that how would any fire/ambulance staff know about the "relavant control " or if the fob was in the drivers pocket

The water fairies don't worry about that kind of thing,they just cut the roof off.

The fire services have had many problems trying to cut the roof off vehicles, apparently spring steel is not easy to cut and they don't always know where to cut the panels

You can't "unbreak" the broken,you can only break the unbroken to break the break of the unbroken, for me, you cannot unbreak me, for I am already broken,so you have no need to break the break because I am not unbroken.

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