Anti-slip provision

spanners
Guest

Anti-slip provision Aug 26, 2012 12:37:08 GMT 1

Back to Top Quote

Post by spanners on Aug 26, 2012 12:37:08 GMT 1

We are not Citroen/Peugeot dealers and I had a Citroen to test Friday, now I have come across this before and I am getting mixed ideas about the pedal pad and anti-slip provision.

I am of the understanding that a pedal pad with a manufacturers groove designed into the pad is OK, but is the pedal pad shown here OK because I am also told by Citroen and Peugeot that a rubber anti-slip provision is normally fitted from new to this pedal pad design.

Also Friday I tested a Renault Megane Sport, the anti-slip provision was made of aluminimum with raised square blocks (sorry not picture), one of the lads I work with owns the same car but not a sports model and he says that the brake pedal anti-slip is rubber on his, so I don't know if the alloy pads are after market or not.

Wouldn't it be good if VOSA included in VSI some manufacturer technical info to help us make consistant decisions.

baz657
Administrator

Keeping safe

Posts: 4,703

Class tested: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5L, 7

Last Online: Apr 17, 2024 18:03:01 GMT 1

Likes: 1,612

Anti-slip provision Aug 26, 2012 15:36:22 GMT 1

Back to Top Quote

Post by baz657 on Aug 26, 2012 15:36:22 GMT 1

The way I was told years back was if the pedal was smooth it needed a rubber pad and if not it didn't.

I'd agree that horizontal ribs won't do much to prevent a side to side slip and the definition in the manual should be far clearer.

The all new Hillside Garage website now open

Deleted Posts: 0 Last Online: Apr 20, 2024 13:21:50 GMT 1	Anti-slip provision Aug 27, 2012 20:59:55 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 20:59:55 GMT 1 I pass them if they have any form of anti-slip.

spanners
Guest

Anti-slip provision Aug 27, 2012 21:53:43 GMT 1

Back to Top Quote

Post by spanners on Aug 27, 2012 21:53:43 GMT 1

But has the pedal in the picture with those ribs got any form of anti-slip?

If you wore shoes with plastic soles your foot would slip on that pedal, but with leather etc your foot would not, but your shoe design is not the anti-slip?

David
Administrator

Owner\Director, AE\NT\SM, DVSA VTS Council Member, Registered Member & Administrator of The MOT Testers & AE's Forum

If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Albert Einstein

Posts: 6,711

Class tested: 4

Last Online: Apr 19, 2024 13:25:15 GMT 1

Likes: 963

Anti-slip provision Aug 28, 2012 10:31:22 GMT 1

Back to Top Quote

Post by David on Aug 28, 2012 10:31:22 GMT 1

Unfortunately we have to P&A on that pic, could well be better described in manual.

As long as the pedal is not smooth its classed as having anti-slip provision, and the smooth from manufacture only applies to pads fitted not the pedal

It’s not that I’m so smart, it’s just that I stay with problems longer.
—Albert Einstein

Deleted Posts: 0 Last Online: Apr 20, 2024 13:21:50 GMT 1	Anti-slip provision Aug 28, 2012 19:12:23 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 19:12:23 GMT 1 Yeah I'd pass the pedal in the picture. My personal view is sometimes the opposite of what it says in the manual. I think most of us have these moments too, but the manual is our bible

phaetonott MOT tester Posts: 1,611 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Nov 6, 2020 17:49:52 GMT 1 Likes: 399	Anti-slip provision Aug 28, 2012 21:35:34 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by phaetonott on Aug 28, 2012 21:35:34 GMT 1 Had a merc today with no rubber on the parking brake pedal. Found the pad under the seat later in the test, superglued it back on to save myself a search through the manual to see what the result should be.
	Simon I am never right but at least I am trying

baz657 Administrator Keeping safe Posts: 4,703 Class tested: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: Apr 17, 2024 18:03:01 GMT 1 Likes: 1,612	Anti-slip provision Aug 28, 2012 21:46:11 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by baz657 on Aug 28, 2012 21:46:11 GMT 1 Just had a quick scan of the MOT manual and can only find reference to the service brake anti-slip. Nothing on the parking brake.
	The all new Hillside Garage website now open

David Administrator Owner\Director, AE\NT\SM, DVSA VTS Council Member, Registered Member & Administrator of The MOT Testers & AE's Forum If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Albert Einstein Posts: 6,711 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Apr 19, 2024 13:25:15 GMT 1 Likes: 963	Anti-slip provision Aug 28, 2012 22:16:38 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by David on Aug 28, 2012 22:16:38 GMT 1 Yep only applies to foot brake, strange but true
	It’s not that I’m so smart, it’s just that I stay with problems longer. —Albert Einstein

spanners Guest	Anti-slip provision Aug 30, 2012 19:36:51 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by spanners on Aug 30, 2012 19:36:51 GMT 1 Here is the Renault Megane that I mentioned above with those anti-slip provisions, which I could not make my mind up whether they were original equipment of after market? Any ideas I just passed them advising I was unsure.

baz657 Administrator Keeping safe Posts: 4,703 Class tested: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5L, 7 Last Online: Apr 17, 2024 18:03:01 GMT 1 Likes: 1,612	Anti-slip provision Aug 30, 2012 19:49:20 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by baz657 on Aug 30, 2012 19:49:20 GMT 1 They're not smooth but I doubt that they'd do much to prevent any slip. By the wording in the manual you were right to pass and advise - not ideal but that's all we can do.
	The all new Hillside Garage website now open

David Administrator Owner\Director, AE\NT\SM, DVSA VTS Council Member, Registered Member & Administrator of The MOT Testers & AE's Forum If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Albert Einstein Posts: 6,711 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Apr 19, 2024 13:25:15 GMT 1 Likes: 963	Anti-slip provision Aug 30, 2012 20:05:58 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by David on Aug 30, 2012 20:05:58 GMT 1 Correct P&A
	It’s not that I’m so smart, it’s just that I stay with problems longer. —Albert Einstein

gary657
VTS Council member

Posts: 1

Last Online: Sept 5, 2012 10:25:50 GMT 1

Anti-slip provision Sept 2, 2012 9:53:03 GMT 1

Back to Top Quote

Post by gary657 on Sept 2, 2012 9:53:03 GMT 1

Vosa examiners in central Scotland were using this defect on their mystery shopper with defects vehicles. We discussed the issue several times with various Vosa trainers and staff and the answer from Vosa training branch is that they train NT's to pass and advise. One disciplinary letter stated how the vosa examiner and his senior wet their shoes and tried the brake pedal and found there was limited anti slip. We did question where it says in the MOT testing manual or the Vosa ops manual that you do this and argued the point. We have not had another case of a mystery shopper with this defects to deal with since then????

alex MOT tester Posts: 146 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Aug 11, 2013 14:24:57 GMT 1 Likes: 13	Anti-slip provision Sept 2, 2012 10:10:10 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by alex on Sept 2, 2012 10:10:10 GMT 1 I was told on my last refresher unless it's worn smooth pass and advise even if the metal pedal pad has grooves in it that is acceptable not always brilliant I know but hey ho.

phaetonott MOT tester Posts: 1,611 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Nov 6, 2020 17:49:52 GMT 1 Likes: 399	Anti-slip provision Sept 2, 2012 10:26:07 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by phaetonott on Sept 2, 2012 10:26:07 GMT 1 I have advised a couple recently with one edge worn down to the metal, but still secure and 90% still has pattern. Does that sound fair?
	Simon I am never right but at least I am trying

David Administrator Owner\Director, AE\NT\SM, DVSA VTS Council Member, Registered Member & Administrator of The MOT Testers & AE's Forum If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Albert Einstein Posts: 6,711 Class tested: 4 Last Online: Apr 19, 2024 13:25:15 GMT 1 Likes: 963	Anti-slip provision Sept 2, 2012 12:21:27 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by David on Sept 2, 2012 12:21:27 GMT 1 yep sounds fair to P&A
	It’s not that I’m so smart, it’s just that I stay with problems longer. —Albert Einstein

nicky464 AE/Manager/Owner Posts: 2 Last Online: Oct 14, 2012 23:04:19 GMT 1	Anti-slip provision Sept 2, 2012 21:55:22 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by nicky464 on Sept 2, 2012 21:55:22 GMT 1 I thought the pad was the rubber pad!!!

nitros44
MOT tester

Posts: 3,804
Class tested: 4, 7

Last Online: Mar 6, 2013 1:09:15 GMT 1

Likes: 1,969

Anti-slip provision Sept 2, 2012 22:01:10 GMT 1

Back to Top Quote

Post by nitros44 on Sept 2, 2012 22:01:10 GMT 1

The ‘pad’ is the flat metal plate attached to the pedal. The common methods of anti-slip provision on this pad are either a rubber fitted over the pad, a chequer plate design on the pad or a drilled pad. Where a rubber is fitted over the pad it is the rubber which is
considered to be the anti-slip provision,not the design pattern.
Where a manufacturer chooses to fit a rubber, if the rubber is smooth it would not be considered as a reason for rejection. However, where they choose a chequer plate design on the pad, e.g. in
the case of a Land Rover, if the raised design has worn smooth it would be a reason for rejection.

Edit to add,will try to upload a examlpe of a chequred style.

Last Edit: Sept 2, 2012 22:08:08 GMT 1 by nitros44 -

I might not be the best,but i was always in the top one

nitros44 MOT tester Posts: 3,804 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Mar 6, 2013 1:09:15 GMT 1 Likes: 1,969	Anti-slip provision Sept 2, 2012 22:12:55 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by nitros44 on Sept 2, 2012 22:12:55 GMT 1 Chequered style Attachments:
	I might not be the best,but i was always in the top one

MOT Comp 2

General Links

DVSA/VOSA Links

Partners

Post by spanners on Aug 26, 2012 12:37:08 GMT 1

Post by baz657 on Aug 26, 2012 15:36:22 GMT 1

Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 20:59:55 GMT 1

Post by spanners on Aug 27, 2012 21:53:43 GMT 1

Post by David on Aug 28, 2012 10:31:22 GMT 1

Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 19:12:23 GMT 1

Post by phaetonott on Aug 28, 2012 21:35:34 GMT 1

Post by baz657 on Aug 28, 2012 21:46:11 GMT 1

Post by David on Aug 28, 2012 22:16:38 GMT 1

Post by spanners on Aug 30, 2012 19:36:51 GMT 1

Post by baz657 on Aug 30, 2012 19:49:20 GMT 1

Post by David on Aug 30, 2012 20:05:58 GMT 1

Post by gary657 on Sept 2, 2012 9:53:03 GMT 1

Post by alex on Sept 2, 2012 10:10:10 GMT 1

Post by phaetonott on Sept 2, 2012 10:26:07 GMT 1

Post by David on Sept 2, 2012 12:21:27 GMT 1

Post by nicky464 on Sept 2, 2012 21:55:22 GMT 1

Post by nitros44 on Sept 2, 2012 22:01:10 GMT 1

Post by nitros44 on Sept 2, 2012 22:12:55 GMT 1