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Kia Carens 1700 diesel 2013 model May 3, 2023 19:32:01 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on May 3, 2023 19:32:01 GMT 1

Came in yesterday on the rear of a pick up, a none runner. Customer advised that smoke appeared from under the bonnet and engine stopped. I cranked engine over on starter today and the cylinder 4 injector was leaking compression quite badly. I removed the injector and cleaned out the port putting a new sealing wahser in. After reassembly the injector still leaks compression as badly. Never come across this before and now wondering if the head port is worn etc?

As far as engine starting goes, the engine cranks and initially tries to run at low idle speed roughly without any acceleration possible and then the engine dies out and stops. Sometimes the engine won't restart. I tried running the engine on easy start to see if it would run, but it does not perform on easy start either. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking maybe a chain slip or something?

Fault codes are;

Lambda sensor 1 bank 1, and

DF300 - not specified

Anyone?

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Kia Carens 1700 diesel 2013 model May 3, 2023 21:48:30 GMT 1

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Post by dizzydiver on May 3, 2023 21:48:30 GMT 1

May 3, 2023 19:32:01 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

Came in yesterday on the rear of a pick up, a none runner. Customer advised that smoke appeared from under the bonnet and engine stopped. I cranked engine over on starter today and the cylinder 4 injector was leaking compression quite badly. I removed the injector and cleaned out the port putting a new sealing wahser in. After reassembly the injector still leaks compression as badly. Never come across this before and now wondering if the head port is worn etc?

As far as engine starting goes, the engine cranks and initially tries to run at low idle speed roughly without any acceleration possible and then the engine dies out and stops. Sometimes the engine won't restart. I tried running the engine on easy start to see if it would run, but it does not perform on easy start either. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking maybe a chain slip or something?

Fault codes are;

Lambda sensor 1 bank 1, and

DF300 - not specified

Anyone?

Could have worn a groove in the injector seat in the head??
Had a doblo in. Cam tensioner had disintegrated, but code said cam sensor was duff. Timing gears had slipped on the cam shafts, bent valves broke rockers!

wally AE/Manager/Owner Posts: 862 Last Online: Apr 25, 2024 7:53:04 GMT 1 Likes: 704	Kia Carens 1700 diesel 2013 model May 3, 2023 22:13:32 GMT 1 via mobile dizzydiver likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by wally on May 3, 2023 22:13:32 GMT 1 You can get a re-seating kit for the base of the injector holes. It comes with various size cutters to re-cut the head where the washer goes.

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Kia Carens 1700 diesel 2013 model May 6, 2023 16:39:23 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on May 6, 2023 16:39:23 GMT 1

I'm sure the kit I've got is either a cleaning kit or a cutter that cleans the injector port base? The seat did look clean to me but for some reason it still leaks compression! Although it is a Direct Injection I did look round the cylinder head for heater plugs, and I incorrectly drew the conclusion that because I could not see them down the rear of the cylinder head, and being direct injection, that none were fitted! Looks like I should be able to do an compression test through the heater plug ports then Tuesday! Hopefully get the WPS on it and see if valve timing has jumped or not?

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Kia Carens 1700 diesel 2013 model May 16, 2023 16:15:08 GMT 1

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Post by David on May 16, 2023 16:15:08 GMT 1

May 6, 2023 16:39:23 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

I'm sure the kit I've got is either a cleaning kit or a cutter that cleans the injector port base?

Check the tool. If it's a cutter you need an insert as the diameter will be larger

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Post by wally on May 16, 2023 21:53:28 GMT 1

May 16, 2023 16:15:08 GMT 1 David said:

May 6, 2023 16:39:23 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

I'm sure the kit I've got is either a cleaning kit or a cutter that cleans the injector port base?

Check the tool. If it's a cutter you need an insert as the diameter will be larger

My re-seating kit comes with various sizes of cutters, but they only have cutting teeth on the bottom. So they only deepen the injector hole not enlarge its diameter.

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Kia Carens 1700 diesel 2013 model May 17, 2023 9:47:26 GMT 1

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Post by Dynamo on May 17, 2023 9:47:26 GMT 1

May 16, 2023 21:53:28 GMT 1 wally said:

May 16, 2023 16:15:08 GMT 1 David said:

Check the tool. If it's a cutter you need an insert as the diameter will be larger

My re-seating kit comes with various sizes of cutters, but they only have cutting teeth on the bottom. So they only deepen the injector hole not enlarge its diameter.

Mine is the same design

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Kia Carens 1700 diesel 2013 model May 17, 2023 9:56:36 GMT 1

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Post by David on May 17, 2023 9:56:36 GMT 1

May 16, 2023 21:53:28 GMT 1 wally said:

May 16, 2023 16:15:08 GMT 1 David said:

Check the tool. If it's a cutter you need an insert as the diameter will be larger

My re-seating kit comes with various sizes of cutters, but they only have cutting teeth on the bottom. So they only deepen the injector hole not enlarge its diameter.

Yeah, some do that and some widen allowing a new insert to be fitted

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Post by wally on May 17, 2023 12:52:02 GMT 1

May 17, 2023 9:56:36 GMT 1 David said:

May 16, 2023 21:53:28 GMT 1 wally said:

My re-seating kit comes with various sizes of cutters, but they only have cutting teeth on the bottom. So they only deepen the injector hole not enlarge its diameter.

Yeah, some do that and some widen allowing a new insert to be fitted

Have you a link to that tool please?
I've never seen one like that or the inserts.

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Post by David on May 17, 2023 12:56:40 GMT 1

May 17, 2023 12:52:02 GMT 1 wally said:

May 17, 2023 9:56:36 GMT 1 David said:

Yeah, some do that and some widen allowing a new insert to be fitted

Have you a link to that tool please?
I've never seen one like that or the inserts.

Seen it advertised in the Aftermarket magazine. American tool I think mate. Worked similar to the old rethread kit for spark plugs. Cut at an angle with an interference fit insert.

Wasn't cheap, around £1800:00 from memory

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Post by dizzydiver on May 17, 2023 15:18:28 GMT 1

May 17, 2023 12:56:40 GMT 1 David said:

May 17, 2023 12:52:02 GMT 1 wally said:

Have you a link to that tool please?
I've never seen one like that or the inserts.

Seen it advertised in the Aftermarket magazine. American tool I think mate. Worked similar to the old rethread kit for spark plugs. Cut at an angle with an interference fit insert.

Wasn't cheap, around £1800:00 from memory

tell him to buy a different vehicle?

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