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Post by nitros44 on Nov 9, 2019 23:44:40 GMT 1

The guy makes some good points ,but after many years testing early hybrids and now testing approx 2/3 per week I’ve never encountered not to be able carry out an examination to the letter,he should spend a week with me or someone else that knows what there doing.
The guy makes out like it’s impossible,it’s not it’s just common sense .

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Post by wally on Nov 10, 2019 1:11:46 GMT 1

I can see the point about testing electric vehicles being valid though. How long will it be before somebody touches a damaged High Voltage wire? If you see a damaged wire should you abort the test due to health and safety implications?

After doing 4 days training on all the safety procedures and what PPE you need to basically turn off the cut off switch safely, I have to ask what training should an NT have to carry out a test safely.
Has anybody here specifically warned staff about problems with such as pacemakers etc.
If you were carrying out a brake test on the Jaguar ipace do the same warnings apply in the rollers as when being told not to tow or even push the vehicle as damage could be done?
If you road test the vehicle the deceleration from the motors is enormous and the brakes themselves don't come into play until required as they are brake by wire, how do you actually test the brake operation without the regenerative braking?

Lots of questions with little or no help from official sources.

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Post by Dynamo on Nov 10, 2019 19:50:35 GMT 1

The official source wally is the vehicle manufacturer. I am only just starting to go through some EV/Hybrid training and up to now the information has already made it very clear to me that I must follow the vehicle manufacturer instructions exactly. All DVSA are going to say about this subject is "follow the manufacturer recommendations".

Has DVSA done anything about letting the Testing Scheme know anything about EV's and hybrids?

Well, I must point out that yes they have. MOT Annual Training 2018 - 2019.

Safe Testing of electric and hybrid vehicles.
Electric vehicle health and safety
Hybrid, electric and hydrogen fuel cell systems guidance for MOT testers September 2019

As a spokesperson for DVSA has said more than once, testers are just jumping in at the exam and it is being seen each year that they are now having to have around 4 or 5 attempts at passing the exam, which DVSA now say they are going to monitor and use as a bench mark to see where the exam pass mark should be set for the future.

All that tells me is that NO effort is put into doing any research and then blaming somebody else when the tester can't do the job because he has not been spoon fed, and in this case DVSA get the blame.

Not everyone knocking on the door saying !!!!! will have the door opened and will fall by the wayside and parish.

You've done the training wally and I'm doing the training, it's not took DVSA to tell you or me that we must put some effort into the subject, so why should others think they have the right to be spoon fed!

You can't "unbreak" the broken,you can only break the unbroken to break the break of the unbroken, for me, you cannot unbreak me, for I am already broken,so you have no need to break the break because I am not unbroken.

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Post by wally on Nov 11, 2019 21:46:32 GMT 1

Who are you doing the training with Dynamo?

I did mine with the IMI through our local motor factors, Steve Carter was the Trainer using his own Jaguar iPace.

It was during this training that we were shown how we had to connect to the Jaguar server at €42 per hour basically to ask for permission to turn off the HV battery and same again to turn back on. Simple to do but very costly.

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Post by castrolrob on Nov 12, 2019 9:15:52 GMT 1

Nov 10, 2019 19:50:35 GMT 1 Dynamo said:

The official source wally is the vehicle manufacturer. I am only just starting to go through some EV/Hybrid training and up to now the information has already made it very clear to me that I must follow the vehicle manufacturer instructions exactly. All DVSA are going to say about this subject is "follow the manufacturer recommendations".

Has DVSA done anything about letting the Testing Scheme know anything about EV's and hybrids?

Well, I must point out that yes they have. MOT Annual Training 2018 - 2019.

Safe Testing of electric and hybrid vehicles.
Electric vehicle health and safety
Hybrid, electric and hydrogen fuel cell systems guidance for MOT testers September 2019

As a spokesperson for DVSA has said more than once, testers are just jumping in at the exam and it is being seen each year that they are now having to have around 4 or 5 attempts at passing the exam,

are you sh1tting me?4 or 5 attempts to pass an exam where youre allowed to look up the answers during it?even allowing for summa the pi$$poor/puerile/pointless/irrelevant questions that's appalling and anyone at that level shouldn't have been testing in the first place.oh yeah the ministry signed em off as competent didn't they!

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Post by mercedes on Nov 12, 2019 10:12:53 GMT 1

you are kidding me 4/5 attempts too pass a exam like this i had a stroke in july and i have passed the exam since then my memory is a bit all over the place ihave difficilty spelling and reading some time so what level are these people at they should be tyre fitters not mot testers it should be like it was city and guilds part 3 for too become a tester not done bye some company for profit there is one in a trade mag thats garantees a pass on the exam too become a tester vosa says they were looking at certain training providers to stop them operating but had very little power too do so this was brouht up at a vosa meeting this year

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Post by castrolrob on Nov 12, 2019 13:52:54 GMT 1

most of the above takes us straight back to the inadequate vsi we receive for most of these cars.we perform a basic visual inspection that every car is subject to,we should not have to be ringing a random manufacturer,any required info is supposed to be provided at the start of the test.did any of you have to throw out(for instance)a citroen cos of its hydraulic suspension?no we were told how to test lights etc.i am unaware of any requirement for US to chase around the internet/subscribe etc just for basic info required to do a basic job.the ministry were

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Post by lampy on Nov 12, 2019 15:26:55 GMT 1

Nov 12, 2019 13:52:54 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

most of the above takes us straight back to the inadequate vsi we receive for most of these cars.we perform a basic visual inspection that every car is subject to,we should not have to be ringing a random manufacturer,any required info is supposed to be provided at the start of the test.did any of you have to throw out(for instance)a citroen cos of its hydraulic suspension?no we were told how to test lights etc.i am unaware of any requirement for US to chase around the internet/subscribe etc just for basic info required to do a basic job.the ministry were

I understood it that DVSA had to supply the relevant info safety and otherwise for every vehicle as part of the new regulations for vehicle testing when we came in line with the EU.

It would be interesting to see how a personal injury claim or even for a fatality proven to be caused by them not following the regulations that are there to see in print would end up.

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Post by castrolrob on Nov 12, 2019 19:07:08 GMT 1

that's the problem,they were ordered to implement these new regs and to provide the relevant tech info to the guys testing them.they haven't.its changed from the good old days of winging it and crossing your fingers.many modern vehicles have dozens of tech specific equipment/systems and hundreds of possible test sequences for many of them.i for example am aware that on an old fiesta the airbag light wont come on again after the ignitions been on till its switched off for a few secs,ditto for bmw abs lights-and ive seen all this incorrectly failed/passed/advised-so this isn't a new problem but its hitting the stage where specific vehicles you can sit there scratching your head how to open a boot or start an engine.its different for the main agents inasmuch as a single make dealer will have product specific knowledge for the majority of their thruput but no general garage can accommodate every single make to that level(and we AINT allowed to turn em away even if we wanted to)and I aint even gonna bother about srs/abs/esp test sequences/faults or indeed even their presence let alone messages versus warning lamps,most of the info aint even available via the average tech info subscription and is gonna have to come via the manufacturer to the ministry and hence to us.basic operating sequences/instructions that are vehicle specific cos ive had every honda/Nissan/toyota being"high voltage at various points"petrol diesel hybrid or not right up to the back fooking teeth.useless info is worse than none at all

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