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Post by vicar on Feb 3, 2017 22:42:57 GMT 1

Myth - If an inertia reel seat belt doesn’t ‘lock’ when pulled, this is a Reason for Rejection (RfR).

Fact - There is no requirement to assess whether an inertia reel belt ‘locks’ when you tug on it. However, we know that some testers have used RfR 5 in Section 5.2 for this (“The locking mechanism of a seat belt does not secure or release as intended”) even though this is only meant for the seat belt buckle mechanism.

I use this loop hole on a morris 1300 1967 with possible original seatbelts for the life of me I can't get them to lock with tugging and I can only imagine they lock under pressure of impact, does anybody else use this method of inspection of not tugging??? Don't get me wrong I only investigated when the morris didn't lock but I always check any other ones to see if they do.

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Post by Dynamo on Feb 3, 2017 23:11:27 GMT 1

To the best of my knowledge and experience there is no method of inspection nor a reason for rejection that asks or tells us to check or fail the operation of any inertia seat belt mechanism. The secure or release part is purely for the tong and buckle while pulling outwards on the tong while connected in the buckle.

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Post by nitros44 on Feb 3, 2017 23:14:04 GMT 1

There's no requirement to pull seat belts to check for lock up but should be pulled to check security at the mountings.
Some inertia seat belts won't lock anyway until the vehicle is in motion.
Where seat belts are being failed as you say is incorrect

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Post by stealth on Feb 4, 2017 9:02:35 GMT 1

Feb 3, 2017 22:42:57 GMT 1 vicar said:

I use this loop hole.

Stop using it, seems like you already know it's wrong.

As already stated, a static check may not make the belts lock. It's not a requiremental to check during the test.

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If I was to agree with you, that would make us both wrong !

castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,397 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Nov 18, 2024 14:39:21 GMT 1 Likes: 2,782	Seatbelts Feb 4, 2017 10:11:19 GMT 1 vicar likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Feb 4, 2017 10:11:19 GMT 1 have known guys who check em by tugging with the motor moving.why?it aint a reqmnt but have seen guys testing em like this since the year dot.pass all day long.

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Post by stealth on Feb 4, 2017 11:32:16 GMT 1

Feb 4, 2017 10:11:19 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

have known guys who check em by tugging with the motor moving.why?it aint a reqmnt but have seen guys testing em like this since the year dot.pass all day long.

Probably never had a meaningful QC check is why.

If I was to agree with you, that would make us both wrong !

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Post by robbyboy on Feb 4, 2017 21:52:31 GMT 1

When I did my nominated tester training , the guy doing the training told us never to jerk the belt out of its reel as he had seen someone activate a restraint system and it retracted the belt fast and tore the skin from his hand, he also told is it is not a method of inspection and there is no rfr for it.

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Post by karlbenz1 on Feb 4, 2017 22:53:16 GMT 1

Feb 4, 2017 10:11:19 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

have known guys who check em by tugging with the motor moving.why?it aint a reqmnt but have seen guys testing em like this since the year dot.pass all day long.

And I still see people doing the " bump"
Test and tapping the lamps during the walk around

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Post by stealth on Feb 4, 2017 23:33:22 GMT 1

Feb 4, 2017 22:57:09 GMT 1 karlbenz1 said:

Have you not read the method of inspection ? Generally much more important to study and get this right, rather than the reason for rejection

Well said. Information column first, followed by Method of Inspection, then Reason for Rejection based on the first two.

If I was to agree with you, that would make us both wrong !

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Post by castrolrob on Feb 6, 2017 14:28:00 GMT 1

Feb 4, 2017 22:53:16 GMT 1 karlbenz1 said:

Feb 4, 2017 10:11:19 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

have known guys who check em by tugging with the motor moving.why?it aint a reqmnt but have seen guys testing em like this since the year dot.pass all day long.

And I still see people doing the " bump"
Test and tapping the lamps during the walk around

yeah,i do,dunno if you've read the manual or not but last I heard an insecure lamp was a failure,if you can tell if its insecure or not without touching it then your a better man than me,ditto suspension movement,even tho it aint part of the test any more on a lotta motors knowing the suspension is seized/fooked shocks/no damping etc is gonna make it onto an advise if nuffin else aint it?same sh1t,different bucket....

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Post by Hooters on Feb 6, 2017 20:14:58 GMT 1

........and whilst on the subject then, presumably where a seat is missing, the belt anchor point prescribed area ceases to be that, a prescribed area.

Aaaannnddd, I’ve heard that seat belts (and tyres) may be part of next year’s annual assessment. But don't bet your shirt on it.

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Post by karlbenz1 on Feb 7, 2017 14:52:45 GMT 1

Feb 6, 2017 14:28:00 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

Feb 4, 2017 22:53:16 GMT 1 karlbenz1 said:

And I still see people doing the " bump"
Test and tapping the lamps during the walk around

yeah,i do,dunno if you've read the manual or not but last I heard an insecure lamp was a failure,if you can tell if its insecure or not without touching it then your a better man than me,ditto suspension movement,even tho it aint part of the test any more on a lotta motors knowing the suspension is seized/fooked shocks/no damping etc is gonna make it onto an advise if nuffin else aint it?same sh1t,different bucket....

Valid points

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Post by Gaz on Feb 8, 2017 14:30:34 GMT 1

Feb 6, 2017 14:28:00 GMT 1 castrolrob said:

Feb 4, 2017 22:53:16 GMT 1 karlbenz1 said:

And I still see people doing the " bump"
Test and tapping the lamps during the walk around

yeah,i do,dunno if you've read the manual or not but last I heard an insecure lamp was a failure,if you can tell if its insecure or not without touching it then your a better man than me

If it doesn't fall off going over the brake rollers and back then its a pass from me

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castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,397 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Nov 18, 2024 14:39:21 GMT 1 Likes: 2,782	Seatbelts Feb 8, 2017 15:44:12 GMT 1 karlbenz1 likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Feb 8, 2017 15:44:12 GMT 1 tut tut,doing the brakes before the test?"such a practice is permissible etc"but hey,youll notice the fooked shocks at the same time wont you....

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