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Post by aylesburyjock on Jul 14, 2015 8:39:18 GMT 1

Good enough for me. That means that while a test is in progress no recording equipment is to be used in the MOT bay. Obviously these dash cams are designed to switch on with the ignition, and in the case described here the owner was unaware this would happen. There will be those who are not so unaware. I shall be on the lookout now, so kinn has done me a favour. It is not about the test itself, I object to ME being filmed against my wishes. It happens dozens of times a day in normal daily life and there is nothing to be done about that, it is just cameras filming everyone in public. However when it comes to filming me specifically I will not agree to it. You obivously do not care about being filmed and that's fine for you. There are also arguments for it for the same reason cctv is used in other premises. The nature of the job - i.e. we are going to upset people when we fail their vehicles - means there is always a danger of physical attacks, it has happened in the past. For me though, I prefer not to have it.
This was in answer to excessive Gaz, you sneaked your post in while my one typing finger was slowly putting this together.

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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 9:46:23 GMT 1

Remember an important point, we are talking about the role of an authorised examiner - An AE cannot relay a recorded image for mot viewing purposes.

A customer leaving a dashcam on or a garage owner having cctv recording in the workshop has nothing to do with the above.

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Post by Gaz on Jul 14, 2015 10:44:34 GMT 1

Your quote from the last page desnt mention anything about AE's @excessive. Unless it was taken out of context?

It does say the presenter has the right to view the test via a relayed image (i.e. live). The use of recording equipment is unacceptable. So the presenter can have a camera in the car and watch a live feed from that camera but they can't record it to watch later.

That's my understanding of it anyway.

aylesburyjock, I think the term your looking for is ninja'd

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Post by pete on Jul 14, 2015 11:23:45 GMT 1

Ok then, from DVSA by phone this morning. There is no rule in place as yet regarding recording an mot by a presenter via a dashcam. You can ask them not to record it but you cannot tell them to switch it off. As far as i am concerned that is the official word from DVSA and the rule i shall follow. Happy days.

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Jul 14, 2015 10:44:34 GMT 1 Gaz said:

Your quote from the last page desnt mention anything about AE's @excessive. Unless it was taken out of context?

It's taken from

www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/tgs0b000110.htm

It's information for Authorised Examiners to follow, which Pete had already linked.

Gaz VTS Council member Posts: 2,157 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Sept 7, 2019 10:16:48 GMT 1 Likes: 738	Dashcams... Jul 14, 2015 12:29:06 GMT 1 via mobile Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Gaz on Jul 14, 2015 12:29:06 GMT 1 That changes my view then but I still don't think customers should be allowed to record me at my work. You wouldn't find it in any other businesses. I guess that's a rule my boss will just have to enforce.
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Post by kinn on Jul 21, 2015 15:53:24 GMT 1

Having had plenty of time to digest events and comments...

It has been mentioned that tempers can flare around m.o.t. failures and I don't doubt repairs and costs etc .. and I don't doubt these incidents have the momentum to escalate...

At this point they can become a crime... or several.

No one innocent was ever found guilty with CCTV footage available.

I would argue CCTV is invaluable to the innocent and as a precaution you should all be welcoming it to protect yourselves and have nothing to fear from it unless you feel it

might show you in a bad light or guilty of something.

I couldn't have foreseen the bizarre circumstances that I found myself in, nor envisaged the bowels of depravity an angry man would stoop to that threatened my family, livelihood and

freedom, but I nor the police are any doubt that had my cctv not been accidentally on that's exactly what would have happened.

A £40 dashcam mounted in your reception might just prove a smart buy one day

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Post by aylesburyjock on Jul 22, 2015 16:14:10 GMT 1

You are pretty much correct in your reasoning, in that if you're not guilty you have nothing to fear. I don't fear them, but I also don't want them. Now people may think I'm being a bit too sensitive, but for various reasons I have mobility problems, and when I'm lurching about the MOT bay like Quasimodo, I really have no wish to have customers record it. I have had issues in the past with the point and giggle brigade in the viewing area, I don't need them taking it home with them. I believe the law is that in a public place you can have no expectation of privacy and people are allowed to video you all they want, but I do not think the MOT bay in a privately owned garage counts as a public place. I don't release these personal details for controversy, just to show There can be reasons other than issues of integrity governing a stance against video cameras in the workplace.

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Post by kinn on Jul 22, 2015 17:11:08 GMT 1

example of unbelievable [allegedly] factual events...

Took my car to the [name of town removed] Town main ford dealer for a simple clutch change.

got the car back and it was vibrating and on lifting the bonnet I was able to fill an entire carrier bag with rags that had been stuffed around differing parts of the engine bay

presumably to stop the vibration ... a full carrier bag....

let that sink in a minute, a main ford dealer.

calmly I took the bag to the service reception and told the guy who had dealt with me I thought his mechanic had left a special expensive tool under my bonnet and I was returning it

and as I handed it him he was thanking me, but as he saw what it was he threw the bag down angrily and shouted at me telling me he knew what sort of person I was when I dropped my car

off for the clutch doing....

The irony of him being angry !!!!

Remaining my usual calm, I simply pointed out what did he expect if this is the way his mechanics fit a clutch and insisted they strip the clutch down at which point he told me if

they found nothing I would have to pay !

Turned out the friction plate was missing a spring and out of balance...

And my point is ...

No one is watching the mechanic, they are watching what is being to their car and boy do I wish I had footage of a main dealer ford mechanic stuffing rags around my engine bay !!!!

NB... ford of [name of town removed], treat your customers and their cars with more respect or people will talk about you ...

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Post by baz657 on Jul 22, 2015 18:00:41 GMT 1

As everybody will see I have edited the above post - [everything I added or changed is bold and red]. We don't like to edit and remove things from members posts (and we haven't had to do it for a while) but without proof we cannot allow the accusations to stay on a public forum. The fact that your post is totally off topic hasn't gone unnoticed either (again, something that our members have avoided for a while).

kinn - I suggest you initially contact the dealer principal and if you get no luck there contact Ford customer services.

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Dashcams... Jul 24, 2015 15:34:26 GMT 1

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Post by David on Jul 24, 2015 15:34:26 GMT 1

Jul 2, 2015 17:39:54 GMT 1 kinn said:

first of all I don't seem to have explained well enough the fact that I had no intention of recording anyone and it came about simply because you forget the cameras are there and how they function and as I ve said the first thing I did was apologise for them having recorded the M.O.T.

Regarding the M.O.T the car was on the ramps and brake tested and free to go in 40 minutes, but it stood alone on the ramp for 30 minutes of that time so you can interpret what you want from that...

Making comments can be expected and is probably normal, but pointing out where people live and starting vile slanderous rumours is a step too far in a small town and needs to be nipped in the bud and I don't pretend to understand how any man could not apologise to a woman stood in front of him having been caught...

Its not a case of not wanting to reveal details, its a case of cannot for the time being but if you are interested in the M.O.T which would see a motorised wheel barrow pass a roadworthy for 5 passengers .. at the firs time I am allowed to I will make it available.

I dissagree. If you have an ignition powered dash cam it will record when the ignition is turned on.

How could you forget?

You've may have even commited an offence recording people without prior warning..

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Post by kinn on Jul 24, 2015 17:44:32 GMT 1

How can I forget..?

I m used to turning a switch on every time I park up to switch them on..

And believe me, these things record audio, log speed via gps and on playback its blatantly obvious from audio and gps I m oblivious to their function while driving...

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