Nearside front inner coil spring broken

Our roads are the worst. I've put 3 front springs on my car in as many years. At least I could tell you exactly where they all broke unlike most oblivious customers.

Don't worry if it's a rear & it's missing on retest you can pass it!

Can we add a ref for that here please ivor?

Example, ref and info make the thread a useful tool for others mate...
Ta laa

This is it here ivor & David

mtaeta.info/thread/1630/missing-rfr

and the reply from VOSA

mtaeta.info/thread/1643/missing-coil-spring-vosas-response

David would never do a thing like that!

Can I throw a spanner in the works 

I've read through all the threads and replies relating to this subject of a coil spring missing, and reading through DVSA's reply I understand that reply as saying the person writing the reply to the tester would do as written in bold below, but then goes on to say that he/she would fail the car as in bold section point 2 below in agreement with the tester. 

I call that operating both sides of the coin and I see it as incorrect decisions taken, the person writing that reply is not a technical trained person. I.M once mentioned in the council meetings that sometimes the staff downstairs are embarrassed to ask upstairs about questions asked from testers on the phone before giving them advice, hence sometimes information provided to testers is incorrect from Policy Branch itself.  

Passing and advising a vehicle tested with a missing coil spring is not an element of doubt, you know that a coil spring is missing and if as in this example the manual has not got a reason for rejection for the said component, then inventing a reason for rejection like a coil spring incorrectly located where a coil spring is NOT FITTED is to my mind not an acceptable reason for rejection, there is no element of doubt in making that incorrect decision. You are justifying putting a potentially very dangerous vehicle on public roads that could kill people and then going to argue that you passed and advised.

In a court of law you would be hung out to dry, and DVSA with you if somebody got killed with that vehicle. The correct decision to make here as already mentioned previously somewhere I think is to abandon the test after having carried out as much of the test as safely possible to do and mark the VT30 as dangerous to drive. The very important point made here being that the vehicle is both dangerous to drive and failed the mot so should not be used on public roads, hence no pass and advise and no vehicle driving on public roads for another 12 months in a very dangerous condition. 

Its only my opinion but it seems that some people are not ready to be either a tester or work for technical standards at DVSA.

Hi Gary



There is probably not an RfR for a spring missing because no one ever

envisaged it would be necessary to have one!



If I was presented with a vehicle with a spring missing I would refuse to

test it as I would not be happy to roller brake test it or drive it. If

someone considered they were happy to complete the test, then in the

majority of cases I would expect the tyre to be fouling, but if not I would

do as you suggest and fail for the spring not correctly located. If it

ain't there it definitely can't be correctly located!



Regards



Technical Standards Team|

Quite so Gaz

If it went to Court android it would be proven that there is no actual RfR for a missing coil spring so no NT would be hung out to dry on that alone. Reason being he was applying the correct standards at the time of test. It may force an inclusion of a new RfR but that would be all...

If the NT used Not Located Correctly as advised, everyone is happy and safer...No need to abandon the test whatsoever from a business perspective...