No vin number

I'm sorry davidg but you seem to have misread the manual on that one.

i. The vehicle has neither registration mark nor VIN/Chassis No./Frame No. by which it can be identified, or that all such identifications are illegible or use letters and numbers not normally used in the English language.

The registration wasn't illegible so can't refuse to test under that rule.

nitros44, thanks.

I'll agree Gaz I did not read into that enough before I replied, however the older I get the easier I want the job to be, and although this has probably now been covered on this thread, I would still refuse to test the van because in my opinion the number plate only gives the year of manufacturer at some point, not clearly displayed at which point in the year, and my guessing it would be wrong, therefore I would refuse to test it based on having no first used date, which is necessary for the test to be carried.

The reason for refusal is date of first use and not year of first use. I have also been advised by ATOS/SIEMENS in years gone by to just type in 01/01/2004 etc, but we all know that is not the correct first used date.

VOSA in a previous Matter of Testing also made reference to data cleansing in Computerization and the costs involved if we enter incorrect information, so I guess we should not do it even if Atos say do it. 

I understand what you are saying Gaz, and to be fair in other ways I too have followed the advice received from the helpline, which is why it is there, but a few years back I read about an NT who phoned the helpline for advice about a matter on a testing issue, (can't fully recall the exact nature now), but unlucky for the NT at that time a VE walked in and carried out a re-examination of a recently tested vehicle, the one the NT tested and made completely different decision(s), the NT advised the VE that he relied on the helpline staff, the VE as I remember it said something along the lines of it is you the NT who is empowered to make the decision and not the staff on the helpline, thus as in your case Gaz the helpline member advised you that he could not provide the VIN number, which then opens a mind field because they can advise you but you have to make all the decisions correctly, they the helpline might not be right as in this case the VE pointed out.


The other problem you have highlighted which I previously talked about is "data cleansing", while the Atos staff advise us when we contact them what to do, they are also charging VOSA out of the pad fee for data cleansing, and VOSA pointed out in a previous Matter of Testing about this very subject, advising us not to do it. 

WAS TOLD BY MY VE NOT TO TEST IF NO VIN, SHOWED HIM MANUAL, HE SAID NOT TO TEST AND IF THERES A PROBLEM TO TELL THEM TO SPEAK TO HIM

Atos bought Siemens and it was Siemens who won the original contract which expires September 2015 - it is not being renewed.

The weight was still on the plate on the door stealth, just the VIN that was scrubbed. It was a SWB anyway and they are all class 4's.

I stand corrected ivor. Learn something new everyday.

I've seen oddball transits and LDV's plated at 3850.

..........and whilst talking about weights, how come some of those little (swb) Daihatsu Fourtraks have a gross train weight of over SIX tonnes?