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Post by baz657 on Mar 12, 2013 14:43:55 GMT 1

I've noticed in many posts that different testers are being told different things by different people. This is crazy.

My idea is to get the confusing questions all together in one place, put all the questions to VOSA at once and get a final and definitive answer on them all. I'll update this first post when anyone adds another question that we can't agree on. Once we have a full list of questions and answers, they'll all be posted here.

It would be like the forums version of "Ask Stevo".

I'll start it off.

Questions

1 - If carrying out a retest that requires an emission test but no brake performance test, can it be fast tracked?

2 - Lifted from another post

Mar 12, 2013 16:45:23 GMT 1 Hooters said:

Are ‘minor items’ (referred to when selecting test-type on VTS device) the same as ‘free re-test items’ as listed on the VT9a?

My interpretation is that the following items only, qualify for fast-track re-test and doubtless these will have been reviewed for 20th's (March) changes.

(Class IV & VII only here).......

Battery, bonnet, boot lid, brake pedal anti-slip, direction indicators/hazard warning, doors, dropsides, electrical wiring, fuel filler cap, horn, lamps (excluding headlamp aim), headlamp cleaning or levelling devices, loading door, mirrors, rear reflectors, registration plates, seat belts (but not anchorages), seats, sharp edges or projections, steering wheel, tailboard, tailgate, towbars (excluding body around anchorage points), trailer electrical sockets, tyre pressure monitoring system warning lamp, vehicle identification number, windscreen and glass, windscreen wipers/washers, wheels and tyres.

So if it isn't one of the above, I don't fast-track it. Needs clarifying doesn't it?

3 - Another one lifted from another topic

RfR 3.6.G.2

A brake fluid warning lamp illuminated or inoperative.

Seems sensible enough.

So why not use the same wording for ABS and SRS lamps?

4 - Several months ago VOSA advised on the subject of whether or not to use the "items not tested" option on the VTS device...

The whole issue of ‘not tested’ is subject to a review to evaluate the implications of allowing common use. In the meantime common sense should prevail and although it technically goes against the Guide we should not consider any disciplinary action against the use of ‘not tested’.

Has that review been completed and if so what is the outcome?

5 - Special Notice 01/13 advised that a towbar not fitted does not require the 13 pin plug to be tested. Do you actually mean that the tow ball/pin is not fitted so no requirement to check the 13 pin?

6 - There seems to be confusion in regard to Electronic Stability Control. Is it possible for the relevant manufacturers acronyms to be listed in the VSI and is Traction Control included in the definition?

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Post by baz657 on Mar 15, 2013 1:32:34 GMT 1

Good find nitros44 - thanks. Added that to the list on the left (and depending on your browser it should be flashing to get noticed).

This must be the one that we've heard about, replacing the printed version and being updated in real time. Doesn't seem like it's fully up and running yet but it looks promising.

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Mar 15, 2013 23:10:45 GMT 1 baz657 said:

Mar 15, 2013 21:57:31 GMT 1 @daveg said:

So according to that link we can email the author and ask for updates on any specific area or topic

You filled his inbox up already?

You know him well then?

I thought he was a she LOL in the Matters of Testing editor

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Post by David on Mar 16, 2013 20:22:59 GMT 1

Mar 15, 2013 21:57:31 GMT 1 @daveg said:

So according to that link we can email the author and ask for updates on any specific area or topic we have, looks good to me.

May be better if you leave the e-mailing dave, we don't want it closed before it's had a chance to work do we

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Post by baz657 on Mar 16, 2013 22:04:37 GMT 1

My plan is to put the questions to a high-ranking person in authority in VOSA.

Not to email the editor of their in-house magazine

Not to call the MOT helpline.

Not to ask a trainer.

Let's finally put an end all the different answers we've had to all the different questions that always seem to take up half of the topics with people arguing that you can't do this or you must do that.

When I get difinitve answers to these questions, they'll be made available for all to see and will finally put to bed some of the misunderstandings everybody seems to have.

This wont be happening right away but will be in the not too distant future so don't forget, if you have a question, post it in here and if there is uncertainty about the answer I'll add it to the list.

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