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Post by vehiclesinspector on Apr 6, 2019 21:06:32 GMT 1

Hi there

I work for a big chain i am working at differnt locations and covering other sites some day where i do a day of testing i may test 8 cars a a day then out them 8 4 fail that take my fail rate to 50 percent compared to site avrage and to natial avarage depen9ng which city i am testing .. this has made me go from green to amber what could i do to go back in to green. I only pass and fail by the book how i was taught when i passed my training 2 years ago. I am even thinking about ringing them and asking them why its doing this as i dont want to be in red when i have done nothing wrong. This system feel pointless i dont know what the purpose of this rag rating is for and how this helps us as testers.When i can only pass and fail what i see infront of me on that day that i am there and this then make me higer then the site avrage and national avarage for that area.People who dont get and understand it will only test to keep the figures down i refuse to test like that and will carry on reradgless of colour (threat level) i am..they can pull any one of my cars i have tested and see for them self i conducted proper test .... Sad face ... Enjoy weekend ... back again for anothee week .....

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Post by aylesburyjock on Apr 7, 2019 4:15:38 GMT 1

Carry on passing and failing as per your training, and ignore the colour scheme. There is no point ringing anybody because they can't help. It's all done automatically by a computer, so no staff that you can contact know why you're not green or can advise you how to alter it. The genius idea behind it was that it should make you take a look at how you're testing to make sure you're doing it as well as you can. They forgot that they were dealing with people who worry when it seems things are going wrong. They forgot that they are dealing with people who have a right to know how and why they are being targeted. As for your colour rating, since you are working across varied sites for a large chain I'm sure there are plenty of others in the company doing the same so if the employers know what score you have (they can only find out by you telling them) they will be used to their testers not being in the green and it won't be an issue.

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Post by vehiclesinspector on Apr 7, 2019 12:21:56 GMT 1

Cheers for the reply it sucks and make me feel like i am doing something wrong even tho i am no. i am passing what is a pass and fail what is failing its just give me bad fail rate on the site avrage and natinal avrage i am gonna see how it goes this month but if next i am in red then i dont know what else i could do as i have viewd my tsi and my avrage and site avrage is higher then site and natinal and that is making me be 50 percent that is giving me a higher as i am testing lesser cars then other testers at that site, if more then half fail that day i am there it send my fail rate thru the roof compared to other testers score as u said i am going to carry on testing how i allways have. That is my reason why i am in amber and prob gonna end up in red. Make me feel like am sh1t tester but i know i am doing it right and not missing and failing things for wrong reason. I have only been with the company three weeks.

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Post by nitros44 on Apr 7, 2019 17:35:19 GMT 1

What you have to take into account is that it’s not just about your testing ability as from what you’ve wrote up to now and way I’m understanding you is that your a good honest tester doing the job correctly at every opportunity day in day out like a lot of us but don’t feel the way you have because your rag colour ,it can change for many reasons not just pass and fail percentages.
Any advice I can give would be to keep on doing what your doing and not worrying about colour ,I don’t and never will.

We had a new starter who was a red when joined ,a month later he was green,his TQI was more or less the same as previously other employment,the only thing that changed was his age of vehicles dramatically changed and now working in a green test station,that’s how daft it is ,is it really worth worrying about ??

I might not be the best,but i was always in the top one

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Post by stealth on Apr 7, 2019 19:59:40 GMT 1

One of my guys had pretty average figures across the board in December. Green score. He had a holiday in January & only tested for the last two weeks, which coincided with some really cold weather. Loads of screen wash problems either frozen or blown fuses in some cases. His fail rate for visibility went from 18% to 38% - straight to red in February but now back to green as his fail rate has levelled out again. As long as you have an understanding of why your score changed then happy days, carry on doing the job.

My suggestion to my customers - print off your figures every month & keep a file. If you get multiple fails on a test all in one section ie 4 or 5 suspension defects, take a duplicate VT30 & keep it in your file.

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If I was to agree with you, that would make us both wrong !

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Post by vehiclesinspector on Apr 7, 2019 21:12:42 GMT 1

Apr 7, 2019 17:35:19 GMT 1 nitros44 said:

What you have to take into account is that it’s not just about your testing ability as from what you’ve wrote up to now and way I’m understanding you is that your a good honest tester doing the job correctly at every opportunity day in day out like a lot of us but don’t feel the way you have because your rag colour ,it can change for many reasons not just pass and fail percentages.
Any advice I can give would be to keep on doing what your doing and not worrying about colour ,I don’t and never will.

We had a new starter who was a red when joined ,a month later he was green,his TQI was more or less the same as previously other employment,the only thing that changed was his age of vehicles dramatically changed and now working in a green test station,that’s how daft it is ,is it really worth worrying about ??

thanks for taking the time to reply and write back to me yeah i am honest and try my best to and do a fair test i will try not to get dowm and i will carry on testing how i am regardless of colour and if they ask me that is what i will tell them and from looking at my tsi they can see that figures all match as my percentage of fail is higher cos i tested lesser cars and half or more failed on that day its sad how it effect my score and make me look bad on paper i will try my best to not think to much about it and carrying on testing how i should be testing and the score cahnges every month based on how many u tested and how many failed percentage at the site avragae and also the area avrage and u get based on that what your gonna be not fair at all pointless system

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Post by vehiclesinspector on Apr 7, 2019 21:18:20 GMT 1

Apr 7, 2019 19:59:40 GMT 1 stealth said:

One of my guys had pretty average figures across the board in December. Green score. He had a holiday in January & only tested for the last two weeks, which coincided with some really cold weather. Loads of screen wash problems either frozen or blown fuses in some cases. His fail rate for visibility went from 18% to 38% - straight to red in February but now back to green as his fail rate has levelled out again. As long as you have an understanding of why your score changed then happy days, carry on doing the job.

My suggestion to my customers - print off your figures every month & keep a file. If you get multiple fails on a test all in one section ie 4 or 5 suspension defects, take a duplicate VT30 & keep it in your file.

Its crazy it look at the site avrage how much they failing and then at local avarage and it tester avrage is higher then send your through the roof with that in mind at some sites i have only tested 5 cars and 3 passed and two fail depeing what category it failed tyre suspsenion steering it send my rate in that caterogry to more then the site avarage based on volume of cars tested and passed at that site its not really fair to get 50 percent fail rate if u only tested 4 cars and 2 fail or if u test 60 cars that month and 30 fail at the end of month u still get a 50 perncet fail rate for that site and that then pushes your avarage score up and some of sites i worked at have been green too..

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Post by baldrick on Apr 7, 2019 22:22:17 GMT 1

Don't worry about it . I have a green sire and I do all the tests . I was mortified when I went amber . I am back in green now , but have no idea what changed .

If you had only tested one car and failed it you would have a 100% fail rate .

castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,372 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Apr 1, 2024 14:07:39 GMT 1 Likes: 2,763	TESTER RAG Apr 8, 2019 8:24:47 GMT 1 mike617 likes this Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Apr 8, 2019 8:24:47 GMT 1 yeah,stop worrying guy,ive been stuck firmly in the red(with the occasional amber)since it started and I don't see it changing anytime soon,dont forget its part of youre cpd......lol

castrolrob MOT tester Posts: 4,372 Class tested: 4, 7 Last Online: Apr 1, 2024 14:07:39 GMT 1 Likes: 2,763	TESTER RAG Jun 2, 2019 10:44:33 GMT 1 Back to Top Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by castrolrob on Jun 2, 2019 10:44:33 GMT 1 and further to the above,if im right the score changes first sunday of the month but doesn't appear till the Monday,just checked,still amber as it has been for 2 mnths now,lets see if its different tomorrow.

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Post by grimvanreaper on Jun 28, 2019 19:34:13 GMT 1

I know how you feel , normally I test a large percentage of class7 junk & exceed averages for fails and was in green . Along came a fleet of motorhomes for first test / pristine classic cars & abnormal number of first tests led to my figures tumbling . As a result I spoke to my AEDM explaing / discussing reasons for my dive from green into amber . He said do what you have been doing & DO NOT alter anything , test as presented / trained . He agreed I knew why I had gone into amber & he saw no issue with my test methods .DVSA & VE's can view your test data & use that to decide if a visit is required . I am not worrying anymore .

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Post by dwain on Jun 28, 2019 20:38:33 GMT 1

To be fair, DVSA have said all along “don’t worry about it”. It’s serving it’s purpose by drawing people to, and getting people paying attention to, tqi etc.

You’ll never work the algorithm out because there are too many variables. If you have considered, and have an answer for, your test time, fail rate, fail categories etc then the whole purpose has been fulfilled.

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Post by peter on Jun 29, 2019 10:18:44 GMT 1

Jun 28, 2019 20:38:33 GMT 1 dwain said:

To be fair, DVSA have said all along “don’t worry about it”. It’s serving it’s purpose by drawing people to, and getting people paying attention to, tqi etc.

You’ll never work the algorithm out because there are too many variables. If you have considered, and have an answer for, your test time, fail rate, fail categories etc then the whole purpose has been fulfilled.

I agree with that. I believe (and that's just me!) that what the system is looking for is average consistency. Of course there are always going to be highs and lows but as long as you have some idea what causes them then it shows you have at least thought about it then there shouldn't be anything to worry about.
If my site score was red I would be concerned but if my personal one is red for a month or so but then goes back to green then I'm not.

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Post by castrolrob on Jul 1, 2019 13:04:45 GMT 1

Jun 28, 2019 20:38:33 GMT 1 dwain said:

To be fair, DVSA have said all along “don’t worry about it”. It’s serving it’s purpose by drawing people to, and getting people paying attention to, tqi etc.

You’ll never work the algorithm out because there are too many variables. If you have considered, and have an answer for, your test time, fail rate, fail categories etc then the whole purpose has been fulfilled.

what dvsa ACTUALLY said was red/amber/green with red being the HIGHER risk.their words not mine.when you are red/amber they come round more often,thats what they mean by"focussing our resources"and as far as I can see one of the prime drivers has to be no of tests.and yup today im back in the amber where I belong (rofl)

and the only difference between the two months figures is no of tests,3x average last month due to a week off versus 4x average this month.who cares,come on round and bring your mates cos you aint finding fook all just like you aint on the last 3 times.all its done is legitimised trying to hit high thruput stations like they've always done anyway as now they can quote your rag as an excuse.while I couldn't give a toss it must be murder for the poor freelance guys

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Post by castrolrob on Jul 8, 2019 18:01:07 GMT 1

Jun 28, 2019 19:34:13 GMT 1 grimvanreaper said:

I know how you feel , normally I test a large percentage of class7 junk & exceed averages for fails and was in green . Along came a fleet of motorhomes for first test / pristine classic cars & abnormal number of first tests led to my figures tumbling . As a result I spoke to my AEDM explaing / discussing reasons for my dive from green into amber . He said do what you have been doing & DO NOT alter anything , test as presented / trained . He agreed I knew why I had gone into amber & he saw no issue with my test methods .DVSA & VE's can view your test data & use that to decide if a visit is required . I am not worrying anymore .

talking of class 7 junk one I tested earlier,1 brake pipe leaking/rotted,another sh1t itself totally part way thru,failed yet a third guy fixing it had yet another blow out when bleeding it.last year?pass no advises of course.somewhere in Glasgow from memory,had advised every pipe on the motor/unable etc due to leak so the extra one going pop wasn't an issue but how the hell can they sleep at night?

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Post by samf2405 on Jul 13, 2019 10:03:33 GMT 1

I agree with all above, don't worry about it.
I've been green since it came in, my fail rate is usually between 45 and 60 percent, so higher than the average, but individual categories are about in line with averages.
It's just the tests you get through the door, not much you can do to control that.
DVSA will use all sorts of data and monitoring, as long as you test correctly, even if they come round, nothing will be amiss.

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Post by castrolrob on Jul 15, 2019 13:20:55 GMT 1

Jul 13, 2019 10:03:33 GMT 1 samf2405 said:

I agree with all above, don't worry about it.
I've been green since it came in, my fail rate is usually between 45 and 60 percent, so higher than the average, but individual categories are about in line with averages.
It's just the tests you get through the door, not much you can do to control that.
DVSA will use all sorts of data and monitoring, as long as you test correctly, even if they come round, nothing will be amiss.

yeah don't worry about it,it cant be that important can it if they shut the blog a month early(again!) (rofl)

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