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Post by webbo on May 4, 2018 18:07:30 GMT 1

Has anyone read through the latest (Final) version of the manual with regards to bikes and in particular the Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment section ?

It may be me but it is very confusing and contradictory ?

For example :

Section 4.2.1 position lamps:

Front and rear position lamps can be incorporated with the direction indicator lamps. The position lamp on the same side of the direction indicator must switch off when the indicator is switched on.

Section 4.2.2 Position lamp switching:

Front and rear position lamps may be incorporated with the direction indicator lamps. The position lamp on the same side of the direction indicator doesn’t have to switch off when the indicator is switched on.

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Post by 525kev on May 22, 2018 20:44:47 GMT 1

May 4, 2018 18:07:30 GMT 1 webbo said:

Has anyone read through the latest (Final) version of the manual with regards to bikes and in particular the Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment section ?

It may be me but it is very confusing and contradictory ?

For example :

Section 4.2.1 position lamps:

Front and rear position lamps can be incorporated with the direction indicator lamps. The position lamp on the same side of the direction indicator must switch off when the indicator is switched on.

Section 4.2.2 Position lamp switching:

Front and rear position lamps may be incorporated with the direction indicator lamps. The position lamp on the same side of the direction indicator doesn’t have to switch off when the indicator is switched on.

Yep i noticed that today when testing my first batch under the new Guide !

Looks like combo indicator/flashers are ok again without a minimum separation distance !

Also what do they class a DRL on Bikes as customers eg GS1200 riders often have running lights fitted as extras which don't switch off when the headlights come on at start up !!

Also rear position lights need to be mounted centrally which is going to annoy a good few custom builders who mount them off to the side !!

Also could of done with failing a Bike on front tyre valve perished but i failed to find it in the RFR section so had to manually advise which i didn't feel comfortable with, Although i did tell the presenter it needs changing quick like for his safety.

LOL just read this:-

4.3 Stop lamps
4.3.1 Presence, condition and operation

All stop lamps must be inspected. If you don't think the stop lamp is connected, you don't need to test it.

BUT under defect:-
iii all missing or inoperative Dangerous

So i read that as if it's connected but fails to work it's Dangerous but if it fails to work because it's not connected it's a pass.

Leading the presenter to disconnect what should be a failure to get a pass !

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Post by Gaz on May 23, 2018 7:27:39 GMT 1

I don't test bikes but for cars there needs to be a minimum of two brake lights, one at either side. I would think bikes need a minimum of one? It's only extra brake lights (like high level ones) that are not mandatory that can be disconnected

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Post by 525kev on May 23, 2018 8:19:12 GMT 1

Having a read through looks like integrated rear light/flashers are out now due to min separation distance so i got that wrong in my earlier post

I have always advised when carrying out a daytime mot to cover me

Gaz, Some Bikes are fitted with 2 position and brake lights as standard and you needed at least one to operate but wording has changed to all must operate.

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Post by 525kev on May 23, 2018 9:25:00 GMT 1

May 23, 2018 9:13:53 GMT 1 lampy said:

Motorcycle wheel missing or loose ...... missing ! Really !! fcuking REALLY !!!!!

Some parts have left me wondering who exactly sat down and re wrote the manual ?

Back to minimum separation distance with indicators, Can someone inform me where the measurement is taken from ?? Please !

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Post by aylesburyjock on May 23, 2018 17:11:58 GMT 1

May 23, 2018 9:13:53 GMT 1 lampy said:

Motorcycle wheel missing or loose ...... missing ! Really !! fcuking REALLY !!!!!

We had several discussions over things on cars like a missing coil spring that had no failure because no one would have thought it would be presented for test like that so it never occurred to include such a fail. Perhaps they are pulling out the stops to try and avoid this happening on the bikes. Got a bit carried away.

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Post by castrolrob on May 23, 2018 17:42:59 GMT 1

didn't they change the minimum separation distance on wheels a while back?some trikes got classed as having two wheels cos of it I seem to recall,maybe its to cover removal of them or similar or perhaps dual wheel fitments on some sidecars?hey if that's as bad as their manual has got I will swop tomorrow!

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Post by webbo on May 23, 2018 18:05:27 GMT 1

May 23, 2018 17:11:58 GMT 1 aylesburyjock said:

May 23, 2018 9:13:53 GMT 1 lampy said:

Motorcycle wheel missing or loose ...... missing ! Really !! fcuking REALLY !!!!!

We had several discussions over things on cars like a missing coil spring that had no failure because no one would have thought it would be presented for test like that so it never occurred to include such a fail. Perhaps they are pulling out the stops to try and avoid this happening on the bikes. Got a bit carried away.

I once tested a BMW Z4 - front spring broken and sharp edge so customer removed it (By grinding i guess) and drove for test without the spring !

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